Cyrax's resets are unstoppable(post-patch)

[Voncroy]

1. To do these combos you need to use an EX bar for every link to even do more then 20% Keep in mind this takes away from defensive breakers, and EVER using his X-ray

- Cyrax can build meter pretty fast and faster than most characters because of his insane use of bombs and nets.
- Cyrax's x-ray is not even worth using, so I don't really know what is the problem with that.

2. He doesn't have a single medium or low combo string, so just stand up and block

- Many characters have barely mix-up options and not many have - I believe - resets of 98% combos with unescapable bombs with no damage scaling, what is really your point? I don't even think Cyrax is the worst in that area to be honest.

It's this thing called balance that many people overlook. You're looking at these huge devastating combos like it's an unfair advantage when really if somebody ever gets that sort of combo off you should applaud them like anyone else because the difficulty of each combo increases the higher the %.

LOL As if Cyrax was a "balanced" character per se, seriously. He's pretty much top-tier and he will still be top-tier without those resets anyway...

As for online, I've played two games...EVER, because the timing of Cyrax's imputs are nearly impossible to do with even the slightest lag.

Play Nightwolf and enjoy the perfect life with lots of negative edge and impossible timing. All you need is to freaking throw a net that will build you meter and easily catch the opponent even if he jumps, most characters don't even have that sort of advantage.

 

[Treadmill]

How is this even a discussion. He is clearly broken. Resets aren't supposed to be in the game.

 

[Immortal Reaver]

I never said Cyrax should keep his resets and everything, but I'm just saying that it's not as big of a deal as people think because it's so rare and will never happen against anyone that's at least decent. Sure, Cyrax can get 50%+ on his BnB, but here is why. With Cyrax, you don't have any low hit strings, bombs are avoided most of the time.

So you usually don't chip away at their damage a lot. Once you do land a net or just get in a good mixup to hit confirm a combo, THAT'S where you get your good damage in. With characters like Kung Lao, it's the opposite. He doesn't have strong combos, but you get a lot of damage taken off by hats and spins. I don't see how people complain about Cyrax's damage output when that's pretty much all he has. You guys don't understand the character.

 

[Treadmill]

I never said Cyrax should keep his resets and everything, but I'm just saying that it's not as big of a deal as people think because it's so rare and will never happen against anyone that's at least decent. Sure, Cyrax can get 50%+ on his BnB, but here is why. With Cyrax, you don't have any low hit strings, bombs are avoided most of the time.

So you usually don't chip away at their damage a lot. Once you do land a net or just get in a good mixup to hit confirm a combo, THAT'S where you get your good damage in. With characters like Kung Lao, it's the opposite. He doesn't have strong combos, but you get a lot of damage taken off by hats and spins. I don't see how people complain about Cyrax's damage output when that's pretty much all he has. You guys don't understand the character.

Your opinion is fine but saying we don't understand the character makes you look stupid.

50% for a net catch and one bar is absurd. It's not like its hard to build meter with him and its easy to get a net catch

I know his mix ups suck. That's why he teleports, has anti air, and his net hits air and ducking.

 

[Bware113]

He doesn't look stupid at all. Immortal is right here. None of his specials cause chip except for the saw , which on block is still punishable by full combo (which is good cause now he's not lft out to dry completely there), & and ragdoll. All specials are also very punishable except the ragdoll which gives some advantage but not much at all. In fact you can respond right after. Sure he can zone but that zone game can be dodged easily and also nullified by characters with a tele (Im looking at Raiden here).

All his strings are short. None have pop ups. And none have a low hit. So, all in all a player just has to stand and block. Some strings can be interrupted via low pokes or uppercut in some cases. He's not the worst in the strings category but surely no better than middle of the pack.

So what does that leave him with?? IMO he needs the nets and high damage to compete. It's necessary.

 

[Voncroy]

No, it's not.

None have pop-ups? Cyrax has certainly more pop-ups than most characters LOL
Low hit? Many characters don't even hit low either.
Stand there and block? Ok, and I guess standing and block help us to win a match even though you're throwing unblockable bombs with huge POP-UPS and you build meter like crazy?

You Cyrax players are crazy. You seem to genuinely think Cyrax is one of the hardest characters in the game or he is in anyway damaged if he did not have these unnecessary +70% combos with unescapable resets LOL

 

[Critical-Limit]

I'm a diehard Cyrax player and he is the only person I focus on playing for real in MK9. I see alot of people complaining so I would like to throw out 2 important facts...

1. To do these combos you need to use an EX bar for every link to even do more then 20% Keep in mind this takes away from defensive breakers, and EVER using his X-ray

2. He doesn't have a single medium or low combo string, so just stand up and block

It's this thing called balance that many people overlook. You're looking at these huge devastating combos like it's an unfair advantage when really if somebody ever gets that sort of combo off you should applaud them like anyone else because the difficulty of each combo increases the higher the %.

As for online, I've played two games...EVER, because the timing of Cyrax's imputs are nearly impossible to do with even the slightest lag.

Just thought I'd give you guys my perspective.

way to completely avoid talking about how you can cancel ANY STRING into his new overhead special buff. tHat saw blade move.

people have to make themselves open to punishment to attack/punish you. You have a string that GRABS people out of their block. what more do you want?

 

[Treadmill]

He doesn't look stupid at all. Immortal is right here. None of his specials cause chip except for the saw , which on block is still punishable by full combo (which is good cause now he's not lft out to dry completely there), & and ragdoll. All specials are also very punishable except the ragdoll which gives some advantage but not much at all. In fact you can respond right after. Sure he can zone but that zone game can be dodged easily and also nullified by characters with a tele (Im looking at Raiden here).

All his strings are short. None have pop ups. And none have a low hit. So, all in all a player just has to stand and block. Some strings can be interrupted via low pokes or uppercut in some cases. He's not the worst in the strings category but surely no better than middle of the pack.

So what does that leave him with?? IMO he needs the nets and high damage to compete. It's necessary.

High damage yes, resets no. There is a huge difference.

 

[iViTal]

Its funny because if you get caught in two nets you lose...

I know i can block them and teleport(with some characters)
but really 2 nets and the match is over its kinda lame how someone can thinks thats ok because cyrax lacks a certain attribute that another character has. All the other characters have flaws so why does giving him big damage makes up for it?

 

[Immortal Reaver]

No, it's not.

None have pop-ups? Cyrax has certainly more pop-ups than most characters LOL
Low hit? Many characters don't even hit low either.
Stand there and block? Ok, and I guess standing and block help us to win a match even though you're throwing unblockable bombs with huge POP-UPS and you build meter like crazy?

You Cyrax players are crazy. You seem to genuinely think Cyrax is one of the hardest characters in the game or he is in anyway damaged if he did not have these unnecessary +70% combos with unescapable resets LOL

Cyrax has one pop-up which is B+2, how is that more than most characters?

 

[Critical-Limit]

Cyrax has one pop-up which is B+2, how is that more than most characters?

Ignoring the universal pop ups.

um... bombs? lol

But I agree he doesn't have "more popups" it's just his pop-ups are lead into more often so it has the appearance of more popups.

since like 70% of his game is bomb tricks/ combos off bomb/ occasional B-2.

you could argue that catchign someone out of a jump with a net is a pop up as it puts them at popup combo distance.

and the fact that net holds them still while in the air, gives you more reasons to use Nuetral jump punch than most other characters. Not more than subzero but you get the point.

so he just "LOOKS" like he has more, cuz he does alot in a given match.


I would argue that Jade has more popups than cyrax, so does lui kang, As well as raiden. Although kung lao doesn't have many at all, most of his strings can lead into his pop up so lack of pop ups isn't a big deal with him. So with kung lao you could argue... on hit confirm that he has a bunch if you consider the moves that lead to spin are combo-able. like if you consider kung lao's low starter a pop up since his low hit eventually leads to a popped up spin.

Cyrax does pop people up alot though. you could argue the same with with cyrax as kung lao.

Kung lao decievingly looks like he has alot of "use-able pop ups" but he really only has 1 REAL one.

 

[buddthagreat]

i wanna learn this reset that everyone is talking bout...i haveyet to see it

 

[Sivart]

Fixing cyrax is very simple. Only allow one net per combo but make his nets unblockable and one punch do 98% damage.everyone is happy!

 

[Sheik7]

well i have played with cyrax since game came out.Those resets dont change to me anything.
Cause its possible to play with cyrax very good whitout those crazy combos also.U just need to have very good reflects.I love to play with bomb and airthrow.Also main combo that i use is 1 bar 47%
but still 2 times in one round is allmost impossible to do that..if u fight against a good opponent.
Cause they know also your tools...and u cant just kill them with combos.
If u try to do that then they brake one of them anyway.
U need to do it also in other way.. many people think that if they learn his combos...then they master him.Well i dont think so.