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Kitty_55
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So is Netherrealm kind of like the undead army of the Lich King from Warcraft? That they need a ruler to take over otherwise it'll be nothing but chaotic?
My boyfriend and I were discussing this ending and I'm just still a bit confused as to what killed Raiden. He, who has little to no knowledge of Mortal Kombat lore, told me Raiden is like the Arthas of Mortal Kombat. That the corruption he cleansed killed him, and he's kind of like the Lich King now despite that he's not a lich king at all...
If anyone has any idea what I'm talking about, is this kind of... right?
My boyfriend and I were discussing this ending and I'm just still a bit confused as to what killed Raiden. He, who has little to no knowledge of Mortal Kombat lore, told me Raiden is like the Arthas of Mortal Kombat. That the corruption he cleansed killed him, and he's kind of like the Lich King now despite that he's not a lich king at all...
If anyone has any idea what I'm talking about, is this kind of... right?
Bart
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Alright.
I watched the whole Story Mode (still waitin' for komplete edition) and I'd like to share my thoughts with you guys. I also read again all the MKX comic to refresh all the facts we know so far.
It wasn't so bad, but is far from perfect also. I'll try to point out why.
*Liu, Lao, Jax and Kitana should not be on the main roster (though Sub-Zero is the special case I think) because they died. Nothing would happen if NRS didn't include them in this game. Liu wasn't in MKDA (died before). Johnny, Sonya, Jax, Kitana and Lao weren't in MKD (died before). I don't count MKU, it could be considered as some kind of "DLC" back then. I miss that system here and NRS seemed to not have big enough cojones to do that this time. I could forgive the inclusion of Jax 'cause he got his own chapter. However the inclusion of Liu, Lao and Kitana is useless (I mean storywise all the time). They were fought 2 times each one, same as Rain and Tanya. That's why Rain and Tanya should be included instead of them. I'm not sure about the third one, it could be maybe Fujin but they would have to invent some bigger role for him. The two Baraka fights were flashbacks so they aren't so important.
*They didn't have big enough cojones with the costumes also. Liu, Lao and Kitana's defaults should be the revenant skin (older versions of Liu and Lao shouldn't even exist because they cause more confusion. Liu's main in MKD and MKA was his zombie one and they should do this again. To prevent from spoiling they could just use their "normal" skins until the game launch. Scorpion and Sub-Zero should be Hanzo and maskless, respectively. Shame.
*The fights.
IMO not every fight result is probable. I know it's minor thing but sometimes it can hurt. Not obvious fights could be:
- Johnny: defeating Sorpion and Sub-Zero - maybe it could be possible, but not so obvious. The fight with Shinnok - ok, somehow be became Super Saiyan and could stand the fight (lame excuse but ok)
- Jin defeating Kotal: I'm not sure if this is very likely
- the whole Sonya chapter: Jax and Kano - maaaaybe, Scorpion and weakened Quan - I'm not sure (especially the first one)
- Takeda defeating Ermac: maaybe, though Ermac is very powerful
- Jax defeating Liu: I'm not sure but ok
- the whole Jacqui chapter: Reptile and Ferra/Torr maaaaybe, but Ermac not so likely, Kotal definitely no
- the whole Cassie chapter: Sindel, Kitana and D'Vorah - maaaaybe, but I'm not sure, Shinnok - absurd, even being a Super Saiyan, but ok, that's what it is.
And now the story.
*Where is Jade? She definitely should be among the rest of the revenants.
*Where is Fujin after the Netherrealm War? He disappeared.
*It seems that Tanya helped Mileena to escape from the prison. Rain joined her only to take the throne from Mileena at some point. Also, it was Rain who made it possible to steal Shinnok's Amulet from Earthrealm. Nice. Another reason to include them in the roster.
Reiko possibly dies in the comic, as well as Havik, unless Havik escapes to Chaosrealm. The comic states that the Kamidaggers are the keys to obtain Shinnok's Amulet. If Mileena had the Amulet, Rain must have obtain all the daggers at some point.
I mean, am I right? The sentence "...united, their force will contain Shinnok." means that you must gather all the Kamidaggers to reach the Aumlet, right? I hope I'm not wrong.
After the Netherrealm War Raiden had some of the Kamidaggers (including the one Scorpion took from Sub-Zero). It means Rain stole them form the places where they were put. I assume Raiden collected all of them in some safe places but it turned out they were not so safe. It seems Havik is somehow defeated and the daggers aren't corrupted anymore. Also, Kano mentions the Kamidaggers have some connection to Quan Chi. We know nothing about this connection.
*In the comic Kotal (already as emperor) states that he's been at war with Mileena for 10 years. And he says so circa 5 years before Cassie defeated Shinnok. In the flashback in Story Mode (also "5 years ago") it's shown that Kotal overthrew Mileena more or less during Cassie's and Jacqui's abduction by Erron (possibly shortly before). So it seems Mileena is the empress after Shao Kahn's demise until "5 years ago" and Kotal becomes the emperor shortly before the girls' abduction.
*Shame we don't know much about Erron, Ferra and Torr. Even their biographies don't say so much. I miss that.
*Also, we actually don't know HOW exactly Kenshi helped Scorpion with his demons. We saw how Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Jax came back to life, but nothing about Kenshi's role.
*Also, un-cyberized Sub-Zero - we'll see that in the comic and I hope we'll see how he recover after Scorpion beat him (to death? almost?) and took fom him the dagger.
*Also, Ermac turning out from Mileena to Kotal without any reason. WTF? It seems that Shao Kahn's soul within him isn't canon since nobody mentions it. It makes even more intro dialogues non canon.
I think the intro dialogues divide in two parts:
1) things like "{-let's fight}, {so be it}"
2) non canon what-ifs
*Also, why and when D'Vorah sided with Shinnok? Nothing about this.
*Also, Scorpion vengeance against Quan Chi. Why he didn't arrive in SF HQ with Sub-Zero after their agreement, but only with rebuilt Shirai Ryu (it seems he rebuilt it again)? It seems Sub-Zero didn't feel the need to kill Quan Chi, even though he knew the whole truth. Scorpion's behavior was selfish, considering that without Quan Chi we can't resurrect the others. It collides in some way with his "human" behavior, but on the other hand it can be understood, given that Hanzo was heavily shocked abouth the truth.
Also, names of his child and wife. They should leave Kana and Jubei and it would be fine (NRS vs Kittelsen, set up the facts before you decide to cooperate).
*Kenshi's and Takeda's relationship. For me it's ok, Kenshi revealed the truth to his son and he had couple of years to deal with it and forgive him.
*Raiden's flashback with Liu and Lao. It couldn't be from alternative timeline, because in that time Raiden was with Jax and Johnny. It couldn't be in original timeline 'cause D'Vorah wasn't present there. Unless it's like Cyrax in MK2011 etc., they just didn't exist back then and it's obvious they weren't there; when they already exist, they could be there. Still, an inconsistency. As of MK2011 I explain myself the differences in the way that Cyrax and the rest just "changed their minds" and that's why we see all of them earlier than in original timeline.
*Kotal's behavior. Ok, after D'Vorah's betrayal he might think that the Earthrealmers are with her, but when they explained the situation he remained the same. I undarstand that he wanted to keep the Amulet in Outworld because in Earthrealm it turned out to be not safe enough, but estimating that "it's too late for Earthrealm, there's no point to help you anymore" doesn't convince me.
I believe it's everything. Oh, I forgot!
MK2011 chars that don't appear:
- Jade: I've mentioned about her before
- Cyrax: apparently killed by Sub-Zero along with Sektor
- Noob: apparently disappeared after being destroyed by soulnado
- Shang: apparently still dead after being infused in Sindel by Shao Kahn
- Sheeva: apparently killed during the Shokan uprising along with Kintaro
I don't count Skarlet 'cause she's DLC, Goro is technically DLC also.
Also, I would love that the ladder endings were made to be canon to fill in the other story gaps. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen.
A liitle long, but I was going to write this some days ago. I hope you'll not be bored so much. I know some point were mentioned already, but I wanted to sum up everything.
Let's discuss!
I watched the whole Story Mode (still waitin' for komplete edition) and I'd like to share my thoughts with you guys. I also read again all the MKX comic to refresh all the facts we know so far.
It wasn't so bad, but is far from perfect also. I'll try to point out why.
*Liu, Lao, Jax and Kitana should not be on the main roster (though Sub-Zero is the special case I think) because they died. Nothing would happen if NRS didn't include them in this game. Liu wasn't in MKDA (died before). Johnny, Sonya, Jax, Kitana and Lao weren't in MKD (died before). I don't count MKU, it could be considered as some kind of "DLC" back then. I miss that system here and NRS seemed to not have big enough cojones to do that this time. I could forgive the inclusion of Jax 'cause he got his own chapter. However the inclusion of Liu, Lao and Kitana is useless (I mean storywise all the time). They were fought 2 times each one, same as Rain and Tanya. That's why Rain and Tanya should be included instead of them. I'm not sure about the third one, it could be maybe Fujin but they would have to invent some bigger role for him. The two Baraka fights were flashbacks so they aren't so important.
*They didn't have big enough cojones with the costumes also. Liu, Lao and Kitana's defaults should be the revenant skin (older versions of Liu and Lao shouldn't even exist because they cause more confusion. Liu's main in MKD and MKA was his zombie one and they should do this again. To prevent from spoiling they could just use their "normal" skins until the game launch. Scorpion and Sub-Zero should be Hanzo and maskless, respectively. Shame.
*The fights.
IMO not every fight result is probable. I know it's minor thing but sometimes it can hurt. Not obvious fights could be:
- Johnny: defeating Sorpion and Sub-Zero - maybe it could be possible, but not so obvious. The fight with Shinnok - ok, somehow be became Super Saiyan and could stand the fight (lame excuse but ok)
- Jin defeating Kotal: I'm not sure if this is very likely
- the whole Sonya chapter: Jax and Kano - maaaaybe, Scorpion and weakened Quan - I'm not sure (especially the first one)
- Takeda defeating Ermac: maaybe, though Ermac is very powerful
- Jax defeating Liu: I'm not sure but ok
- the whole Jacqui chapter: Reptile and Ferra/Torr maaaaybe, but Ermac not so likely, Kotal definitely no
- the whole Cassie chapter: Sindel, Kitana and D'Vorah - maaaaybe, but I'm not sure, Shinnok - absurd, even being a Super Saiyan, but ok, that's what it is.
And now the story.
*Where is Jade? She definitely should be among the rest of the revenants.
*Where is Fujin after the Netherrealm War? He disappeared.
*It seems that Tanya helped Mileena to escape from the prison. Rain joined her only to take the throne from Mileena at some point. Also, it was Rain who made it possible to steal Shinnok's Amulet from Earthrealm. Nice. Another reason to include them in the roster.
Reiko possibly dies in the comic, as well as Havik, unless Havik escapes to Chaosrealm. The comic states that the Kamidaggers are the keys to obtain Shinnok's Amulet. If Mileena had the Amulet, Rain must have obtain all the daggers at some point.
I mean, am I right? The sentence "...united, their force will contain Shinnok." means that you must gather all the Kamidaggers to reach the Aumlet, right? I hope I'm not wrong.
After the Netherrealm War Raiden had some of the Kamidaggers (including the one Scorpion took from Sub-Zero). It means Rain stole them form the places where they were put. I assume Raiden collected all of them in some safe places but it turned out they were not so safe. It seems Havik is somehow defeated and the daggers aren't corrupted anymore. Also, Kano mentions the Kamidaggers have some connection to Quan Chi. We know nothing about this connection.
*In the comic Kotal (already as emperor) states that he's been at war with Mileena for 10 years. And he says so circa 5 years before Cassie defeated Shinnok. In the flashback in Story Mode (also "5 years ago") it's shown that Kotal overthrew Mileena more or less during Cassie's and Jacqui's abduction by Erron (possibly shortly before). So it seems Mileena is the empress after Shao Kahn's demise until "5 years ago" and Kotal becomes the emperor shortly before the girls' abduction.
*Shame we don't know much about Erron, Ferra and Torr. Even their biographies don't say so much. I miss that.
*Also, we actually don't know HOW exactly Kenshi helped Scorpion with his demons. We saw how Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Jax came back to life, but nothing about Kenshi's role.
*Also, un-cyberized Sub-Zero - we'll see that in the comic and I hope we'll see how he recover after Scorpion beat him (to death? almost?) and took fom him the dagger.
*Also, Ermac turning out from Mileena to Kotal without any reason. WTF? It seems that Shao Kahn's soul within him isn't canon since nobody mentions it. It makes even more intro dialogues non canon.
I think the intro dialogues divide in two parts:
1) things like "{-let's fight}, {so be it}"
2) non canon what-ifs
*Also, why and when D'Vorah sided with Shinnok? Nothing about this.
*Also, Scorpion vengeance against Quan Chi. Why he didn't arrive in SF HQ with Sub-Zero after their agreement, but only with rebuilt Shirai Ryu (it seems he rebuilt it again)? It seems Sub-Zero didn't feel the need to kill Quan Chi, even though he knew the whole truth. Scorpion's behavior was selfish, considering that without Quan Chi we can't resurrect the others. It collides in some way with his "human" behavior, but on the other hand it can be understood, given that Hanzo was heavily shocked abouth the truth.
Also, names of his child and wife. They should leave Kana and Jubei and it would be fine (NRS vs Kittelsen, set up the facts before you decide to cooperate).
*Kenshi's and Takeda's relationship. For me it's ok, Kenshi revealed the truth to his son and he had couple of years to deal with it and forgive him.
*Raiden's flashback with Liu and Lao. It couldn't be from alternative timeline, because in that time Raiden was with Jax and Johnny. It couldn't be in original timeline 'cause D'Vorah wasn't present there. Unless it's like Cyrax in MK2011 etc., they just didn't exist back then and it's obvious they weren't there; when they already exist, they could be there. Still, an inconsistency. As of MK2011 I explain myself the differences in the way that Cyrax and the rest just "changed their minds" and that's why we see all of them earlier than in original timeline.
*Kotal's behavior. Ok, after D'Vorah's betrayal he might think that the Earthrealmers are with her, but when they explained the situation he remained the same. I undarstand that he wanted to keep the Amulet in Outworld because in Earthrealm it turned out to be not safe enough, but estimating that "it's too late for Earthrealm, there's no point to help you anymore" doesn't convince me.
I believe it's everything. Oh, I forgot!
MK2011 chars that don't appear:
- Jade: I've mentioned about her before
- Cyrax: apparently killed by Sub-Zero along with Sektor
- Noob: apparently disappeared after being destroyed by soulnado
- Shang: apparently still dead after being infused in Sindel by Shao Kahn
- Sheeva: apparently killed during the Shokan uprising along with Kintaro
I don't count Skarlet 'cause she's DLC, Goro is technically DLC also.
Also, I would love that the ladder endings were made to be canon to fill in the other story gaps. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen.
A liitle long, but I was going to write this some days ago. I hope you'll not be bored so much. I know some point were mentioned already, but I wanted to sum up everything.
Let's discuss!
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Harpoon
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No, Rain did not get all of the Kamidogu daggers. At where we are in the comics, the amulet is imprisoned in an alternate dimension that the daggers are needed to unlock, and it's locked up in Fort Charles in the game. The Kamidogu are obviously going to be gathered and used to free the amulet at some point in the comic, forcing Raiden to relocate it, but they are not relevant to how Rain and Kano got it. Also, it was the possessed Fox who mentioned the connection to Quan Chi, not Kano. Once again, the comic will probably explain that.
And Kotal's coup being set 5 years ago had to have been a mistake, as they talk like Earthrealm's war with the Netherrealm is still going on.
Commander
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I agree with most of your other points, but this was specifically stated in the MKX story mode.
D'Vorah sided with Quan Chi / Shinnok when she went with Cassie to hunt down Mileena in The Jungle area.
My main question from Story Mode I don't think gets brought up.
Why in this time line, why does Quan Chi not turn on Shinnok this go around? I mean he's trapped in the amulet, Quan Chi has an army of zombie warriors... He's set up pretty good. Why still do the bring back Shinnok thing?
Why in this time line, why does Quan Chi not turn on Shinnok this go around? I mean he's trapped in the amulet, Quan Chi has an army of zombie warriors... He's set up pretty good. Why still do the bring back Shinnok thing?
Phlfwd22
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I thought this initially too. Raiden didn't die though and he's not a revenant. He's just "dark Raiden" (or pissed off Raiden if you will) that instead of being all friendly and defensive, he is now offensive to the other realms (but still Earths protector, he just does so by destroying other realms before they can attack). That's why he's wearing dark and has orange eyes (NRS should have made that different though cause he does look like a revenant). The jensei didn't corrupt him or anything, he's just angered by the constant attacks from Shao kahn, quan chi, Shinnok, etc.
And Liu Kang and kitana are the new rulers of the Neatherrealm, Raiden was basically telling them do not mess with Earth or hell mess them up too.
Hope that helps!
Yaniv Shmuel Avizrats
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Dvorah was implanted as a traitor by Quan Chi from the start. He specifically says: " It was wise to send you to be close to outworld emparor all those years ago" )not exact words)
Commander
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Exactly my thoughts too, but you described it better. :-D
Yeah, it felt like a big middle finger from NRS, and was 1 of the few things that I didn't like about story mode.
Not even a single "Hey, Noob's dead" or Hey, Noob's alive" cameo anywhere or mention.
The 2 mentions of Bi-Han from Sareena and Kuai were all in the past-tense, referring to MK9 past events and Mythologies.
Yeah, we just got mentions of things that already happened. Nothing new actually.
Kitty_55
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Yes it definitely helps, thank you for that!
p.W
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Not really. All we know is that it's some kind of peace treaty between Earthrealm and Outworld. Presumably, Reiko done goofed up in the comic by getting everyone to almost kill one another again (in later issues which we haven't read yet), and "in his honor" Kotal named a new peace accord. "Don't do what Reiko did."
This confused the hell out of me, too. His ambiguous wording combined with his Revenant appearance combined with zero foreshadowing of his "take no shit" character development didn't help.
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mandead
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From what we understand so far, they're a non-aggression pact between the various civil war factions.
Bart
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My bad, I forgot that it was Fox, not Kano. But still, we don't know anything about that so far.
My point is that Rain durig Story Mode mentions that they obtained the Amulet because of his genius or something like that. IMO this implies that Rain was smart enough to use the Kamidogu to get the Amulet.
Harpoon
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No, he says that it was his genius that came up with the plan to get it. And the whole point of the Kamidogu is that they keep the amulet locked in another dimension. The amulet is outright said to be in the military base Fort Charles by the time the game takes place, and that's not another dimension. Rain didn't use the Kamidogu, they're not mentioned at all and they're not important to the amulet when it's locked up in a completely different place than where the Kamidogu are supposed to keep it locked up. The Kamidogu are no longer a factor when the game's events occur.
want to make sure i'm understanding it -- just finished story mode earlier today.
In the midcredits scene, with Raiden and Shinook's head, he says to the wraiths that they rule outworld now? What happened to Kotal? isn't Kotal still emperor now that Mileena is dead and Shinook is..."dead"?
Maybe i missed something in a cinematic...
Regards,
Sanjay
In the midcredits scene, with Raiden and Shinook's head, he says to the wraiths that they rule outworld now? What happened to Kotal? isn't Kotal still emperor now that Mileena is dead and Shinook is..."dead"?
Maybe i missed something in a cinematic...
Regards,
Sanjay
Harpoon
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He said they rule Netherrealm now, not Outworld.