SPOILER ALERT:Mortal Kombat X DIGITAL COMIC DISCUSSION

The kamidogu were the medium needed for him to complete the ritual of resurrecting from the grave. Reptile was just in the vicinity just as Shujinko placed the final relic in the Nexus.

And I agree with Ledbetter. Deception is one of my all-time favorite MK games from the main timeline,story-wise. Before the game ever came out, when's the last time in video games overall, that evil actually triumphed over good? And I really mean BEFORE MK: Deception came out, not AFTER!!!

Well, apart from every single Blizzard expansion pack ever, and WarCraft 1 on top of that.
 
[MENTION=18134]Yellow Ledbetter[/MENTION]. I don't think your opinion is invalid. Perhaps I could've chosen my words more carefully, but what I did do was disagree with you and give some reasons. That's normal forum stuff isn't it?

Too often around here I see someone get on the defensive when another user disagrees. They say 'that's just my own opinion!' As if that somehow protects the opinion from criticism. You didn't do that, which deserves a thanks.

However, I'm not persuaded by the reasons you've given for Deception's story being well written. So when I see a page of off-topic discussion about how great it was - yeah, I'm gonna disagree.

Particularly when you consider the fact that the story had nowhere near as much substance as MK9 had and MKX will have. The technical limitations prevented the studio from portraying as much, so all of these points you're raising in the story's defence are, to a significant extent at least, just the way you've imagined them. You've taken pieces of information from bios, endings, and Konquest NPC dialogue to construct this narrative. You've done precisely what the studio hoped fans would do with it, but that doesn't change the fact that (for example) we didn't see Raiden become corrupted. He just shows up playable and corrupt after the intro. You've read some text on a screen about the consequence of his suicide, then your imagination puts flesh on the bones.

So ultimately, there was only so much that the studio could actually portray. So I say the studio over-reached and thereby left some of the audience behind and resentful. They wanted all this change for the franchise, but their ambition resulted in hasty corner-cutting and one dimensional characters.
 
So I asked Shaun Kittlesten on Twitter:

Think we'll ever get closure on Shujinko?

Shaun: I bet we will...

What do you guguyss make of this?
 
[MENTION=18134]Yellow Ledbetter[/MENTION]. I don't think your opinion is invalid. Perhaps I could've chosen my words more carefully, but what I did do was disagree with you and give some reasons. That's normal forum stuff isn't it?

Too often around here I see someone get on the defensive when another user disagrees. They say 'that's just my own opinion!' As if that somehow protects the opinion from criticism. You didn't do that, which deserves a thanks.

However, I'm not persuaded by the reasons you've given for Deception's story being well written. So when I see a page of off-topic discussion about how great it was - yeah, I'm gonna disagree.

Particularly when you consider the fact that the story had nowhere near as much substance as MK9 had and MKX will have. The technical limitations prevented the studio from portraying as much, so all of these points you're raising in the story's defence are, to a significant extent at least, just the way you've imagined them. You've taken pieces of information from bios, endings, and Konquest NPC dialogue to construct this narrative. You've done precisely what the studio hoped fans would do with it, but that doesn't change the fact that (for example) we didn't see Raiden become corrupted. He just shows up playable and corrupt after the intro. You've read some text on a screen about the consequence of his suicide, then your imagination puts flesh on the bones.

So ultimately, there was only so much that the studio could actually portray. So I say the studio over-reached and thereby left some of the audience behind and resentful. They wanted all this change for the franchise, but their ambition resulted in hasty corner-cutting and one dimensional characters.

Don't worry ;) I didn't get offended or anything. It's completely normal.

Look, I think we disagree maybe because we deal with different approaches.

You are right on the way I tell. What konquers me on that story is what really was written, not exactly what was shown.

I have the impression that you dislike the story because it could be way better, maybe they thought something bigger than they could put into their technology.

But Deception just made me lost hope, you know? I thought Raiden could fix everything, I thought Liu Kang's death wouldn't be in vain, and I never expected that Onaga could walk on the hallway and made three enemies join forces. And I love this One Being thing too. So Deception was a slap on the heroes face.

I agree with you about the gaps ;)

So I asked Shaun Kittlesten on Twitter:

Think we'll ever get closure on Shujinko?

Shaun: I bet we will...

What do you guguyss make of this?

What I think? Long live the Dragon King!! :laugh:
 
Evil has triumphed over good at least 11 times prior to MK1. By that I'm talking about Shao Kahn's hostile takeover of Edenia, Goro's tournament victories, and at least one tournament won by Shang Tsung.

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True. Sorry I wasn't clear on my question as I forgotten to include "besides MK" in my question. Although p.W has answered it. I know there's more games but that'll do for now.
 
Ok so i don't know if im confused or not but this is what i took from the comic:

Spoiler:
1. Scorpion/Hanzo was never a Revenant/Servant of Quan Chi, QC made false promises about Vengeance and Justice and when "Vengeance and Justice" was served nothing happened bc it was all a lie.
2. Scorpions powers/abilities comes from the memory of his dead clan and family? So is it limitless?
3. So even though he was brought back to life, using his Spectre powers runs the chance of destroying himself if used for too long or too much?
4. What did Takeda stab Raiden with? A regular sword or the Kamidogu?
5. Also, was that Sub Zero (Elder) that actually killed his clan and Family or was that just a QC manipulation. Bc we had SZ screaming "It wasn't me" in the one panel


So if someone can clarify these few things up for me that would be great.
 
Ok so i don't know if im confused or not but this is what i took from the comic:

Spoiler:
1. Scorpion/Hanzo was never a Revenant/Servant of Quan Chi, QC made false promises about Vengeance and Justice and when "Vengeance and Justice" was served nothing happened bc it was all a lie.
2. Scorpions powers/abilities comes from the memory of his dead clan and family? So is it limitless?
3. So even though he was brought back to life, using his Spectre powers runs the chance of destroying himself if used for too long or too much?
4. What did Takeda stab Raiden with? A regular sword or the Kamidogu?
5. Also, was that Sub Zero (Elder) that actually killed his clan and Family or was that just a QC manipulation. Bc we had SZ screaming "It wasn't me" in the one panel


So if someone can clarify these few things up for me that would be great.

1. He promised Justice and Vengeance. He only had vengeance, no jutice at all. He noticed that because the "fire" was still with him, even after Sub-Zero's death. And he began realizing that everything he has done was bad;

2. Unlimited. That's why he says in the end he has it for a lifetime. It comes from the memory and burden of the death of his wife and son. So, everytime he falls into hellfire, he revives that moment and risks himself;

3. As stated before, his powers come from that moment. So anytime he could become the crazy vengeful spirit;

4. Common sword, he tried to do with Raiden what he did with Fox;

5. No word on that. According to Kittelsen, Scorpion was remembering everything twisted. It sounds like a bad excuse, but judging the perfect scene of him burning Sub-Zero, Kittelsen may have done it on purpose, a dramatic Hanzo. At first, it's Bi-Han, but it seems he doesn't know Quan Chi killed his family.
 
As for the roster, how do you figure 24?
(Keep in mind that I would love to be wrong and for there to be more than 24, but my gut's telling me otherwise.)

1) That's all we've seen from the beginning (even this late into the wait).

2) That's what we got for Injustice.

3) I recall Boon saying "it's hard to balance 75 variations" or something to that effect; 75/3 = 25 = 24+Goro. I couldn't find source, so disregard this if you will.

Yes, they said the select screen is not final, but it still hasn't changed (in terms of roster spots - they added two boxes, but they are for Goro and random select/DLC) and they said the same thing about MK9 (and maybe Injustice too), but MK9's remained the same from announcement until release, regardless.

Ed Boon and Steve Beran both said that it would be close to MK9 (which would be about 32 including DLC).
They could have been taking DLC into account, but I believe they were just thinking 25 is a similar number to 27, and I would agree. It's not a big difference; it's somewhat similar. In any case, with DLC I'm sure we'll get more than 30 in the game.

The last roster build also had 26 spots (25 if you don't count the "?" box).
Goro is a bonus that is on the main roster, much like Kratos.
Yes, 2 extra spots for Goro and random select (which I suspect will turn into a DLC slot). Still 24 total, excluding Goro.

Plus, you're forgetting that they said that they were going to put "as many characters as possible on the main roster," before the game ships.
Yes, I didn't forget they said that. Sounds like the quote was taken out of context and he meant they are working hard to include everything they wanted to from the start so that there is no on-disc DLC. Otherwise, just sounds like PR talk that makes no sense because they plan the exact roster out months and months in advance for a number of reasons. I don't believe they have the luxury of being able to jam in an extra 1 or 2 that were not planned without compromising several things, like their role in the story mode.
 
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5. Also, was that Sub Zero (Elder) that actually killed his clan and Family or was that just a QC manipulation. Bc we had SZ screaming "It wasn't me" in the one panel

5. I'm taking it to mean that, thankfully, they've kept the original story in tact.
It was likely that it was Quan Chi in disguise that killed his family and clan, and it seems like that's a twisted vision, that Quan Chi brainwashed Scorpion with.
You can still hear Bi-Han screaming "NO, THAT WAS NOT ME!" from MK9, so I'm glad that they tied that together.


[MENTION=18253]Lord Greyjoy[/MENTION]
MK9 gave us 27, though, excluding Kratos.
Ed said close to MK9 or maybe a little bit more in The Kombat Tether interview.
Even with taking DLC into account, 26 or 28 on the main roster is more likely, IMO, than 24 main roster characters and getting 8 DLC characters with 3 variations.
The more likely scenario, IMo, is 28 characters with the Kombat Pack being the DLC. If the Kombat Pack sells well then they can do more, but I REALLY don't see 8 DLC planned, without getting an idea on how their DLC is selling.
 
Deception had my favorite storyline out of any MK game. Shujinko may have no been amazing as far as gameplay was concerned, but he was a revolutionary protagonist for the series. Being that he was also the antagonist at the same time. What made Shujinko stand out so much in the story was that he was a regular guy, just like everyone who was playing the game. A dude with insane ambition who ventured from a rural Earthrealm village to hostile warzone of Outworld. From the sublime paradise Edenia to the depths of Hell. All while training under and learning techniques from the very combatants we've grown to love. His story is tragic because we watched as this dude wastes his entire life serving a deceitful deity.

Shujinko is hella cool. His only problem, like all Post UMK3 characters, was shitty gameplay.
 
[MENTION=18253]Lord Greyjoy[/MENTION]
MK9 gave us 27, though, excluding Kratos.
Ed said close to MK9 or maybe a little bit more in The Kombat Tether interview.
Even with taking DLC into account, 26 or 28 on the main roster is more likely, IMO, than 24 main roster characters and getting 8 DLC characters with 3 variations.
The more likely scenario, IMo, is 28 characters with the Kombat Pack being the DLC. If the Kombat Pack sells well then they can do more, but I REALLY don't see 8 DLC planned, without getting an idea on how their DLC is selling.
Like I said, 25 seems similar to 27 to me. Same with 30 and 32. But this is just my personal interpretation of what Boon meant and how I feel about it.

That said, I think we'll get a lot more than the Kombat Pack, that's for sure. They said they'll do more if it sells well and it will sell well, especially with two guests, since history has shown us that guests sell best. Just like Injustice had 2 extra characters after the season pass, I expect MKX to have extra DLC character(s) after the Kombat Pack, particularly ones in high demand (ex: Martian Manhunter in Injustice).
 
That said, I think we'll get a lot more than the Kombat Pack, that's for sure. They said they'll do more if it sells well and it will sell well, especially with two guests, since history has shown us that guests sell best. Just like Injustice had 2 extra characters after the season pass, I expect MKX to have extra DLC character(s) after the Kombat Pack, particularly ones in high demand (ex: Martian Manhunter in Injustice).

As do I, but you said the key words right there "They said they'll do more if it sells well...."
As in, they likely don't have more than 4 planned for now, which is why I think that when Ed Boon said "30-something characters," that he probably meant 26 - 28 main roster, plus the 4 in the Kombat Pack DLC.
 
As do I, but you said the key words right there "They said they'll do more if it sells well...."
As in, they likely don't have more than 4 planned for now, which is why I think that when Ed Boon said "30-something characters," that he probably meant 26 - 28 main roster, plus the 4 in the Kombat Pack DLC.

And we all know how true THAT claim turned out to be in MK9...

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As do I, but you said the key words right there "They said they'll do more if it sells well...."
As in, they likely don't have more than 4 planned for now, which is why I think that when Ed Boon said "30-something characters," that he probably meant 26 - 28 main roster, plus the 4 in the Kombat Pack DLC.
What you mean makes sense, but I still have my doubts regarding more than 24, and I've outlined why. We'll just have to wait and see. Only about one month to go (before the roster leaks).

And we all know how true THAT claim turned out to be in MK9...

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The times have changed. DLC is a much more valuable commodity now due to increased budgets. I bet they've already planned out their time for extra DLC in case the initial batch sells well.
 
There is no "in case". They already know the DLC is going to fly off the digital shelves.
I honestly hope they milk it harder than Injustice. I know they said there wont be as many costumes, but here's to hoping we get close.
 
They said that they were going to reveal the big bad tomorrow?

The print issue of issues 10-11-12 comes out tomorrow

Mortal Kombat X (2015-) #11
Scorpion and Raiden must work together to save Takeda from the Neatherrealm's grip. Plus: What happenned to Sub-Zero? And what's REALLY going on with the Kamidogu daggers? All will be revealed!

That doesnt seem like concrete confirmation that the big bad will be revealed, but possibly.
 
They said that they were going to reveal the big bad tomorrow?

Well that's why I said hopefully, because "all will be revealed" leads me to believe we will understand why this is all happening, meaning we will know who the big bad is.

I'll be getting this issue around 11 AM EST, so if there's no info up, I'll provide a summary ASAP.
 
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