Nasty_Freak
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God knows damn well that I'm a Jade fan and right now she's my number 1. But, I think it'd be ok for her to be absent in this game. SHE STILL NEEDS TO RETURN IN FUTURE MK GAMES THOUGH!!!
Does Jade have no fans?
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JeanLucAwesome
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I like her, but I don't mind her sitting out a game.
JeanLucAwesome
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p.W
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She looks exactly the same as Kitana, hangs around Kitana, has nothing to do except repeat the arc Kitana just went through, and nobody cares about her. This is not a palette swap filler character... how, exactly?
JeanLucAwesome
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She doesn't look exactly like Kitana that is over stating it, simply because she rocks a mask and loin clothe, both of which are different looking from Kitana's. That does not equal Kitana. They both look different, they both have their own move sets. Therefore she's not a palette swap.
Hanging around Kitana, her story and popularity have nothing to do with being a palette swap or not.
p.W
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I find your definition of "palette swap" uselessly narrow. We don't live in 1993 anymore, obviously no characters are going to be literal palette swaps of one another. Nevertheless, her costume is so similar to Kitana's, it might as well be identical. Her story is so similar, it might as well not exist. That to me is the 2014 version of a palette swap character. If Jade doesn't deserve to be called a palette swap, then we can just retire the term.
Anyway, I don't want to bicker over definitions. Let's just say I said "she is basically the same character as Kitana, minus Kitana's relationships to Shao Kahn, Mileena, Liu Kang, and Sindel, and minus being an Edenian princess (e.g. all the things that make Kitana remotely interesting); and she has a unique moveset." So that is all to say that I would be shocked to find out that she has a lot of fans, and the lack of panic and dismay over her perma-death does not surprise me.
FlawlessVictor
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Since when did the definition of palette swap change in meaning? Palette swap is only related to graphical design, not story or even gameplay elements.
p.W
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Pretty sure I said "I don't want to bicker over definitions," and then provided a differently-worded version of what I meant in the very same paragraph.
FlawlessVictor
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p.W
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Let us dissect my post in an optimistic attempt to move the conversation along.
1. I called Jade a palette swap character.
2. I admitted that I was using "palette swap" hyperbolically to disparage Jade's lazy costume design. This isn't a crime.
3. I said I don't want to argue semantics.
4. I provided an elaboration of what I think of Jade that did not include the words "palette swap" anywhere.
Do you want to keep debating the proper uses of the term palette swap? Or would you rather talk Jade? Up to you.
Sonya Bland
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I liked Jade in MK2 (so mysterious) and in MK3 Ultimate (I was so exited to see her in the game with that awesome staff weapon! All I dreamed about!
I later started to dislike her because she was just another good-girl and slave to kitana's storyline. Now Tanya is my Jade-replacer and I wouldn't care much about Jade not making it for MKX, still like Jade better than the likes of Jax/Johnny and Sonya though.
Jade made me love gemstones, I have an entire gemstone collection because of her name and being. I will always remember her from MK Annihilation where she was just too damn funny!
I later started to dislike her because she was just another good-girl and slave to kitana's storyline. Now Tanya is my Jade-replacer and I wouldn't care much about Jade not making it for MKX, still like Jade better than the likes of Jax/Johnny and Sonya though.
Jade made me love gemstones, I have an entire gemstone collection because of her name and being. I will always remember her from MK Annihilation where she was just too damn funny!
Temptress
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The only thing they have in common are tits and black hair. Using your logic why are you not protesting against the inclusion of Ermac/Reptile/Sub-Zero/Scorpion?
I've seen people say some stupid things, but claiming that Kitana & Jade are palette swaps, especially in MK9 where they look & feel completely different is probably one of the most ignorant and untrue things I've ever read.
white_ninja
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Kitana's variation is the perfect way to honor Jade. Tbh, I can't imagine Jade having three variations. I never cared for her as a character.
p.W
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You are seriously, with a straight face, saying that Kitana looked as different from Jade as Ermac did from Scorpion. That's what you're saying to me.
You are very, very wrong. I would bet any amount of money that you are not a graphic designer or visual artist of any sort, and don't understand the very basic design principles which Kitana and Jade's MK9 costumes violate. First of all, they're unforgivably, blatantly lazy. You know what all that bare skin on their "costumes" means? No work for NRS! The only time that's not true is if the characters have unique bodytypes, eg. Kano in MKX might not have much of a costume on his upper body, but no other character's upper body looks remotely like his. It was sculpted for him alone and it gives him a unique and memorable silhouette.
The fact that Kitana and Jade are half-nude and don't have unique bodytypes means, in practical terms, that they only have half of a costume. Put another way, half of their costume is entirely identical (save skin color; but that's a straight-up palette swap). It does absolutely nothing to distinguish them from one another, or other half+ nude females like Skarlet.
You bring up the male ninjas, but you shouldn't.
Ermac is simply not recognizable as a ninja, and hasn't been since MKD. That is 10/10 character design. He's a telepathic soul-monster, and everything in his appearance - levitation, diseased skin and bandaged face, robes and full-body clothing - builds on that. Obviously he hasn't always had his MKX look, but go back to MKD and you'll see baggy clothing which hides his physique (emphasizing his mystical nature), the now iconic bandage mask, the eyes glowing with green energy.
Reptile is a friggin reptile. He has had a completely unique face in every game since MKDA, molded just for him. Even if some of them looked god-awful, you're never going to mistake a black and white picture of Reptile for Sub-Zero. We've gotten to the point where he has a tail and uses it in his moves.
Sub-Zero is the only one of the "ninjas" to be in a clan, and his designs in MKDA and every game since have included circular ceremonial badges and draconic imagery. He's a cryomancer, and in MKDA, Shaolin Monks, Armageddon, and MKvsDCU, he has had frozen-over arms to reflect his manipulation of the element.
Scorpion is a vengeful spirit from Hell, which is why he has fire attacks, a flaming skull, and pupil-less eyes. He's also the only true ninja in MK's cast, and all of his designs from MKDA onward have consistently portrayed him with Japanese swords, and his recent designs (Injustice, MKX) have had him wearing a hood over his face as well.
You see how every part of these characters' visual design actually builds on their thematic identities? Jade's design is simply non-existent in comparison. Literally the only thing she has going for her is the idea that she's Kitana's bodyguard, and that is NOWHERE in her appearance. Which part of her costume is supposed to tell us that she's a bodyguard, the way Liu Kang's ceremonial dress in MK9 tells us he's a shaolin monk, while Johnny Cage's suit and tie tell us he's a movie star, while Jax's combat vest and dogtags tell us he's in the military? Nothing does. Jade has on an exotic bikini. Just because.
Sub-Zero has an ice sword in MK9 and MKX. Not "just because," but because he manipulates ice. Scorpion has Japanese swords. Not "just because," because he's a Japanese ninja. Ermac no longer has a weapon, not "just because," but because he prefers magic to melee. Reptile uses his claws and tongue and tail, not "just because," but because he's a friggin lizard man.
Jade had a staff. Just... because. At the end of the day, she's just a chick in a green bikini that fights with a staff, and we're not really supposed to ask any questions.
This also applies to Kitana, whose only identifiable visual quirk has been the tiara/earrings she occasionally wears, and to a much lesser degree Mileena, who has at least remained consistently masked, has become the sluttiest MK female, and has Tarkatan teeth. Y'know. Because she's Tarkatan. I strongly dislike all female ninja designs in the MK franchise with the exception of Kitana's in MKX, which is fantastic. But Kitana and Mileena have always had story value, so I would have been very sad to see them go.
Marcelino Rodrigues
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p.W
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If having a unique moveset is enough to make a character interesting, then there hasn't been a single un-interesting character in Mortal Kombat since... MKD? :S
theincubuslord
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As a graphic designer and a Jade fan, I can honestly say that Jade was unique from Kitana in MKD-MKA, but went back to dress alike Kitana in MK9. Why? Well, most likely to represent the MKT days where the two of them were palette swaps, both assassins for Shao Kahn, so her appearance along with Kitana's were alot like a uniform of sorts. Alot of MK9's character designs were homages of their trilogy costumes. And since MK9 was all about going back to square one, it's both understandable and acceptable.
FlawlessVictor
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It's not about how much is covered or exposed, but the shape and cut of the clothing. Kitana and Jade's MK9 costumes are discernible even without colors they are associated with.
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