Sub-Zero

That's because NRS never wrote an interesting post-MK3 story for Sub-Zero, until now.

This may sound c**ky, but could you honestly say that if NRS wrote something for Sub-Zero in MK10, similar to my Soulnado fan-fiction, that it wouldn't flesh out his story better?

Unfortunately NRS won't take fan submissions, but the way that I wrote that fan-fiction, would not only give Sub-Zero new purpose but also introduce characters like Kia, Jataaka and Sareena into MK10.
 
Ive never understood the hate for Sub-Zero's story post Mk3. Never. His ending in Deception was kinda crap, but I do not think he had an awful story.

Name characters who had so much better of a story than his because I dont see it.

IMO Sub-Zero became a LEADER in the later games, and someone Raiden could rely on. Were any of the Earthrealm warriors any more interesting? I dont think so. What did Sonya, JC, Jax, Liu Kang do? Oh thats right they were dead.

Im not buying that his story was bad. It fell a little flat in Deception, but also with the reveal that Noob was his brother and Smoke was with him that gave him new purpose. I actually think the best story he had came in DA.
 
More of a focus on Scorpion and Quan Chi. After getting the Lin Kuei back from Sektor, I would've liked to seen him aid Scorpion in hunting Quan Chi.
 
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More of a focus on Scorpion and Quan Chi. After getting the Lin Kuei back from Sektor, I would've liked to seen him aid Scorpion in hunting Quan Chi.
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See though thats not even giving him a story really though. That's having Jim share a story with Scorpion. Hasn't he shared the spotlight enough with that guy?
 
Subz 711 said:
See though thats not even giving him a story really though. That's having Jim share a story with Scorpion. Hasn't he shared the spotlight enough with that guy?
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Yes, but having them team up to take down a common foe, would actually enhance BOTH of their stories a bit, and not keep it stale, as was previously in the post-MK3 era.
 
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See though thats not even giving him a story really though. That's having Jim share a story with Scorpion. Hasn't he shared the spotlight enough with that guy?
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Sub Zero was wronged by Quan Chi too though.
He and Scorpion have a very dynamic story together. It's better for Sub Zero to share the spotlight with him than the likes of Frost, Kenshi or Hotaru
 
I like sub-zero. He's my avatar duuuh. Fact of the matter is Sub-zero hasn't accomplished anything in MK.

Sure he got the dragon medallion that amplified his powers, as well as found the cryonmantic armor in the ruins of the cryomancer temple in Outworld. And with all of that he still fails! He is relegated to just fighting tarkatans in the living forest.....what?!! His presence had absolutely no bearing or impact on the Deadly Alliance or the ressurection of Onaga, he was useless in armageddon besides just being there. Sub-zero hasn't done anything and has had no character development and now he's just a "training dummy" for Scorpion.

Sure they could put him in MKX via some bullshit story of his displaced soul reuniting with his body or, his soul inhabiting an empty human shell or Noob becomes "purified" by the soulnado or maybe he even replaces Scorpion as the Elder god's champion. The glaring fact remains that he will most likey do none of these things, he will be confined to a cyborg husk, taking the place of Cyrax and work for Spec. Forces **puts finger down throat, faux gags** will always be undermined by "NRS' poster boy" and is doomed to play second fiddle to "the yellow cry-bag".

Yes I'm fully aware NRS and Boon made Scorpion their mascot because he's Boon's fave and blahblahblahblah yaddayaddayadda common knowledge etc.

Arguing that point is an exercise in futility. The bottom line is, that as it stands, Sub-zero is not going be made into anything other than what he has been, a punching bag and marketing gimmick to force Scorpion down our throats!

Now I don't know about you, but rather than see one of my favorite characters become a parody, I move to have him replaced. Otherwise we're bringing him back just to see him get smacked around by an inferior ghost rider rip-off.

Sub-zero, more specifically Kuai Liang, has not been a good Sub-zero. He, more acurately has just "been" Sub-zero. I don't care what anyone thinks about it, he was a wimp! Even with all his power ups he was still a b!t(h and accomplished nothing as Sub-zero except become the Grandmaster of a Lin kuei that we never even see!
 
You're assuming that Sub-Zero will have NO possible future with a well-written story, just based on the previous MK1 thru MK: Armageddon timeline, though, and if we go by THAT timeline then Kenshi has boring moves and we would still have a shitty 2-legged Motaro.

You don't know that Sub-Zero is not going to be "made into anything other than what he has been," unless you work for NRS, and already know whats going to happen in MK10.
Him coming back via the Soulnado and joining forces with Scorpion to take down a common enemy (Quan Chi) is just 1 of many examples of how Sub-Zero can come back and have a better written story, but you're just writing him off as if he'll continue to have a shitty story forever.
That may not be the case, for all we know.

Neither Bi-Han or Kuai-Liang have had the chance to be a good Sub-Zero in this new MK9 timeline, because they both got killed off in the same game.
As much as I hated Cyber Sub-Zero, his story actually did have development and depth as a cyborg, but they killed him off too quickly.
His cyborg version could have made a hell of a story, with his alternate costume being his human form in MK10.

We don't know what they're planning to do with Bi-Han and Kuai-Liang for MK10, but you can't automatically assume that he WON'T come back from the dead, given NRS' (aka Midway's) history of "No one stays dead in Mortal Kombat."
 
Frost = glorified C-list character
Sub-Zero = One of the characters we pay to see every time we buy Mortal Kombat

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You're assuming that Sub-Zero will have NO possible future with a well-written story, just based on the previous MK1 thru MK: Armageddon timeline, though, and if we go by THAT timeline then Kenshi has boring moves and we would still have a shitty 2-legged Motaro.

You don't know that Sub-Zero is not going to be "made into anything other than what he has been," unless you work for NRS, and already know whats going to happen in MK10.
Him coming back via the Soulnado and joining forces with Scorpion to take down a common enemy (Quan Chi) is just 1 of many examples of how Sub-Zero can come back and have a better written story, but you're just writing him off as if he'll continue to have a shitty story forever.
That may not be the case, for all we know.

Neither Bi-Han or Kuai-Liang have had the chance to be a good Sub-Zero in this new MK9 timeline, because they both got killed off in the same game.
As much as I hated Cyber Sub-Zero, his story actually did have development and depth as a cyborg, but they killed him off too quickly.
His cyborg version could have made a hell of a story, with his alternate costume being his human form in MK10.

We don't know what they're planning to do with Bi-Han and Kuai-Liang for MK10, but you can't automatically assume that he WON'T come back from the dead, given NRS' (aka Midway's) history of "No one stays dead in Mortal Kombat."
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you just fire back without reading what you type huh?

CYBER SUB-ZERO IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH THEY'VE DISREGARD HIS CHARACTER.

You're damn right I can "assume they're gonna bring him back from the dead because, well, HE'S DEAD! How else is he gonna be in MKX smarty pants??

Everything in your statement only further proves my point. Your optimism is ill-placed They are gonna continue to shaft him. I'm sure Ed Boon is aware of the fact that thousands of subzero fans are pissed yet he has not offered a single statement regarding it. Why don't you go hit him up on twitter and see what he has to say.
 
sub-one said:
you just fire back without reading what you type huh?
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I read all of your responses and replied accordingly.
No need to take your anger out on me, we're just debating.



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CYBER SUB-ZERO IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH THEY'VE DISREGARD HIS CHARACTER.
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While I dislike what they did with him in MK9, his story did have significant changes and wasn't stale, which is the point that I'm trying to make.



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You're damn right I can "assume they're gonna bring him back from the dead because, well, HE'S DEAD! How else is he gonna be in MKX smarty pants??
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Any MK fan knows by now that no one stays dead in MK, especially not a series icon like Sub-Zero or Scorpion.
NRS will come up with some reason as to why he is back.
If Sub-Zero isn't in MK10 via story, Krypt, unlockable, DLC or any other means, I'll eat my hat.
The fan backlash would be huge if Sub-Zero isn't in MK10, and NRS knows it.
They wouldn't risk THAT MANY fans NOT buying the game.
If Sub-Zero is what the fans want and it sells more games, they'll bring him back.
It's simple economics 101.
Give the masses what they want and they'll buy your product.



sub-one said:
Everything in your statement only further proves my point. Your optimism is ill-placed They are gonna continue to shaft him. I'm sure Ed Boon is aware of the fact that thousands of subzero fans are pissed yet he has not offered a single statement regarding it. Why don't you go hit him up on twitter and see what he has to say.
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You pessimism is ill-placed.
You don't know if he'll come back from the dead, since MK characters always come back from the dead, yet you constantly imply that he'll be a punching bag without knowing ANY of NRS future plans.
I didn't know you had a time machine and already played MK10.
Maybe you can also go and get me tomorrow's winning lottery numbers.
NRS hasn't said anything about MK10 in general, aside from some random tweets by Carlos Pesina about "Going to do some mocap."
Sure, as if Ed Boon is going to reply to me and go "Yeah, he's staying dead." or "No, he'll be back for MK10."
You should know by now that Ed Boon trolls, and is more likely to give some joke comment rather than a straight up answer to that question.
None of the NRS members can answer those questions yet, if they are under contract not to speak about it.
 
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Frost = glorified C-list character
Sub-Zero = One of the characters we pay to see every time we buy Mortal Kombat

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No frost is basically a forgotten character that "I" would like to see again because she had potential from an artistic and logistic stand point.

Sub-zero= A "DEAD" character and rather than pulling a zombie sub-zero out of their collective asses or "jumping" Cyber-scrub-zero, they should just pass the "title" of Sub-zero on to another to keep things moving.

Han and Liang are dead. Period! Move the story forward. Keep things fresh. "I" would like to see Frost become Sub-zero because it makes sense Timeline wise.

To me Subzero and Scorpion aren't as "iconic" as they are "metaphors" for opposites- fire and ice. yin and yang. To me it really doesn't matter who fills these roles so long as they are represented, just like I don't care if Ryu and Ken are in street fighter so long as you have characters with relatively the same movesets play styles and the moves retain the same level of effectiveness.

And not for Nothing, Scorpion and Sub-zero are in no way as iconic as Ryu and Ken. No way. I know people would like to draw that comparison, but just from a marketing and merchandising as well as a notariety stand point, Sub-zero and Scorpion don't hold a candle to Ryu and Ken. Sorry, but facts are facts.

Violence, Fatalities, Chinese/ taoist mythology and Uppercuts are what make MK MK, Not blue and yellow ninjas.

You people hold on to things for far too long you need to let go of certain things to allow for growth and evolution. Hanging on to Sub-zero or a "male" Sub-zero is like watching a 30 year old man hang on to his Phyckin "blankey". Grow up! MK needs to change it's becoming stagnant and boring story wise.

Scorpion will always be there and will always be the same guy because he is a ghost and his clan is extinct so there will only be one scorpion. Sub-zero is "MORTAL" from a clan that's still alive and kicking. Therefor Sub-zero(s) should die and be replaced Just like 007's.

I wouldn't be upset if they put a new sub-zero in the subsequent MKs because it gives us something to look forward to, it keeps things fresh and up to date. In one game Sub-zero might be a female. In another Sub-zero might be a white guy, in another he might be a black guy. And with every new incarnation you have new moves and supers that still retain the ice powers and maybe even the spine-rip or a variation of it.

The way they "should" have handled it would have been to have the Sub-0 Scorpion rivalry continue into the afterlife. Nope instead we get Noob and cyber-wuss. I like Noob, but it would have been more interesting to see the story play out from that angle.
 
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sub-one said:
No frost is basically a forgotten character that "I" would like to see again because she had potential from an artistic and logistic stand point.

Sub-zero= A "DEAD" character and rather pull a zombie sub-zero out of their collective asses or "jumpstart" Cyber-scrub-zero. They should just pass the "title" of Sub-zero on to another to keep things moving.

Han and Liang are dead. Period! Move the story forward. Keep things fresh. "I" would like to see Frost become Sub-zero because it makes sense Timeline wise.

To me Subzero and Scorpion aren't as "iconic" as they are "metaphors" for opposites- fire and ice. yin and yang. To me it really doesn't matter who fills these roles so long as they are represented, just like I don't care if Ryu and Ken are in street fighter so long as you have characters with relatively the same movesets play styles and the moves retain the same level of effectiveness.

And not for Nothing, Scorpion and Sub-zero are in no way as iconic as Ryu and Ken. No way. I know people would like to draw that comparison, but just from a marketing and merchandising as well as a notariety stand point, Sub-zero and Scorpion don't hold a candle to
Ryu and Ken. Sorry, but facts are facts.Violence, Fatalities, Chinese/ taoist mythology and Uppercuts are what make MK MK, Not blue and yellow ninjas.

You people hold on to things for far too long you need to let go of certain things to allow for growth and evolution. Hanging on to Sub-zero or a "male" Sub-zero is like watching a 30 year old man hand on to his Phyckin "blankey". Grow up! MK needs to change it's becoming stagnant and boring story wise.

Scorpion will always be there and will always be the same guy because he is a ghost and his clan is extinct so there will only be one scorpion. Sub-zero is "MORTAL" from a clan that's still alive and kicking. Therefor Sub-zero(s) should die and be replaced Just like 007's.

I wouldn't be upset if they put a new sub-zero in the subsequent MKs because it gives us something to look forward to, it keeps things fresh and up to date. In one game Sub-zero might be a female. In another Sub-zero might be a white guy, in another he might be a black guy. And with every new incarnation you have new moves and supers that still retain the ice powers and maybe even the spine-rip or variation of it.

The way they "should" have handled it would have been to have the Sub-0 Scorpion rivalry continue into the afterlife. Nope instead we get Noob and cyber-wuss. I like Noob, but it would have been more interesting to see the story play out from that angle.
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Money talks and bullshit walks! I don't give a shit who YOU pay to see, and neither does WB! There are more of me (pay to see the proven stars) than there are of you, so who do you think WB is going to pander to (or any other publisher for that matter)? You don't make a video game without the biggest stars, because it's bad for business.

If you don't like the Star System, then you can go play something else.

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you're wrong.

First and foremost the point of any business is to make money. this is usually estalished by presenting or introducing a brand and a standard of quality that the consumer can look forward to and depend on. hence they return to that product becaue they are aware of the products quality. quality is usually established by delivering desired results to the consumer on a consistent basis.

Second. As times change so to must the product change. change is needed to adapt to the ever changing tastes and preferences in a constantly growing and ever evolving economy.

third. establish your brand as a commodity or "household name". By providing a consistent level of service, you gain the consumer's trust that you are the best at meeting the consumer's need.

The MK brand is beginning to stagnate. That was what forced them to reboot initially.It was becoming stagnant in a market that was evolving. with MK9 they began to move things in the right direction. However, that momentum can and will be lost if not harnessed to bring in new customers as well as returning customers. you have to realize the people on this site make up a small percentage of those that will actually purchase this game. the vast majority of videogame purchasers are in fact, "causual" gamers. oe parents buying games for their kids. with that in mind it will be advertising that pulls in the largest number of customers. the first priority isn't to "you" and the fact that you like sub-zero, it's to making money and recouping the money that went into developing the game. to do that you need to pull in new fans. And unfortunately Sub-zero isn't pulling in New customers, Scorpion is. So yeah.
 
sub-one said:
you're wrong.

First and foremost the point of any business is to make money. this is usually estalished by presenting or introducing a brand and a standard of quality that the consumer can look forward to and depend on. hence they return to that product becaue they are aware of the products quality. quality is usually established by delivering desired results to the consumer on a consistent basis.

Second. As times change so to must the product change. change is needed to adapt to the ever changing tastes and preferences in a constantly growing and ever evolving economy.

third. establish your brand as a commodity or "household name". By providing a consistent level of service, you gain the consumer's trust that you are the best at meeting the consumer's need.

The MK brand is beginning to stagnate. That was what forced them to reboot initially.It was becoming stagnant in a market that was evolving. with MK9 they began to move things in the right direction. However, that momentum can and will be lost if not harnessed to bring in new customers as well as returning customers. you have to realize the people on this site make up a small percentage of those that will actually purchase this game. the vast majority of videogame purchasers are in fact, "causual" gamers. oe parents buying games for their kids. with that in mind it will be advertising that pulls in the largest number of customers. the first priority isn't to "you" and the fact that you like sub-zero, it's to making money and recouping the money that went into developing the game. to do that you need to pull in new fans. And unfortunately Sub-zero isn't pulling in New customers, Scorpion is. So yeah.
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How do you expect to make money on a video game if you deny the majority of all fans the characters they pay to see?

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