Your wishlist for MK10

Flying Jinko said:
At the same time Scorpion would never have accepted on his own accord, it was only when Raiden offered to help him bring back his family and clan, he accepted. The same with Sub Zero too, I don't think he could have been convinced easily, since everything and everyone he is meeting is new to him and he doesn't know who to trust. In the original timeline he only allied himself with Raiden and the others after a gradual understanding of events. Plus unlike others he is overidden with emotion and responsibility in finding the killer of his brother, it is difficult to convice a man otherwise, who is out for revenge.
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That's exactly my point though.
Raiden DID convince him not to kill Sub-Zero.
Had Quan Chi NOT interfered and tricked him, there was a VERY good chance that Scorpion would have had his clan revived, and Scorpion's revenge would have ended there.

The same applies to Kuai-Liang.

If Raiden saved Sub-Zero from the Lin Kuei robots at the coliseum, he may have very well been able to convince Sub-Zero to drop his vengeance for Scorpion and go after the real murderer, Quan Chi, like in his MK9 ending and join in the force to save EarthRealm.

Cyborg automation was NOT a necessity for the MK9 story to progress.
NRS could have easily given Raiden more testicular fortitude to stop the robots, like he did in the Living Forest, and prevent it but he didn't.
Raiden chose to be a coward, so therefore Sub-Zero suffered for it.
 
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Metal Overlord said:
Not wanting to interfere with the timeline is cowardly?
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Not wanting to help an friend in need because Raiden is being a pansy, IS cowardly.
Besides, the timeline was already screwed, and Raiden could have used all the allies that he could get.
Doesn't hurt to have another ally on your side.

By the logic of him not interfering with the timeline he shouldn't have helped Kitana, Kabal, Stryker or Jade either.
Raiden was recruiting people for the fight to save EarthRealm.
Why the hell could he have recruited human Sub-Zero?
 
It is cowardice.

He already saved Smoke, and Smoke was surrounded by allies like Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Johnny Cage and Nightwolf.
(Mind you, Nightwolf single-handedly destroyed Sindel)
Raiden could have still saved Sub-Zero using his Lightning powers, with all of those guys united together at the coliseum.

I still haven't heard a valid reason as to why Raiden couldn't save human Sub-Zero.
 
Again, he didn't save Sub-Zero because he was doing it for the greater good

He wanted to prevent his vision of Smoke becoming a cyborg in an effort to save the new timeline and prevent Armageddon

Why do you think he prevented Smoke from trying to save Sub-Zero?

So again, that's not cowardice
 
Metal Overlord said:
Again, he didn't save Sub-Zero because he was doing it for the greater good
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If he was doing it for the greater good, then his vision should have shown Sub-Zero as being human, which is part of what I'm trying to get at.


Metal Overlord said:
He wanted to prevent his vision of Smoke becoming a cyborg in an effort to save the new timeline and prevent Armageddon
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I understand the reason for him saving Smoke, which is the SAME reason why he should have saved Sub-Zero.


Metal Overlord said:
Why do you think he prevented Smoke from trying to save Sub-Zero?
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Because he was afraid of the repercussions that Shao Kahn might infer, being that he was in Shao Kahn's coliseum.
Hence being a coward, and not standing up for Sub-Zero.
He could have easily entered the tournament.
Other fighters provoked each other into fighting.

I don't see why Raiden didn't zap the Lin Kuei robots and say to Sektor and Cyrax "I challenge you 2 to Mortal Kombat," and it could have been a Raiden and Sub-Zero tag team match versus Cyrax and Sektor.


It just seems like the writing was piss poor and started to fall off after Chapter 11, and NRS just wanted to wrap it up and get the story over with. :(
Could have been written better.
 
Well, his visions only show events that are related to preventing Armageddon

A vision of Sub-Zero being human wouldn't be relevant to that

And you gotta understand that Raiden has a radically different way of approaching conflicts and thinking than you might think. As an eternal protector god, he cares more about ensuring Earthrealm's safety as a whole than just saving the lives a few people, because he knows that lives are always going to be lost in a conflict such as Earthrealm vs Outworld and that won't mean much in the grand scheme of things. He isn't really motivated by personal motivations and emotions at all, just the situation at hand. That doesn't make him cold or heartless, so to speak, that's just how he thinks. He's in a whole different league altogether than humans, physically and mentally, so that's why

His personality is calculating and analytical, so he prefers to manipulate the situation at hand to his advantage rather than take it head on (such as fighting). It's not cowardice because he's not scared to fight when he has to. It's just that he didn't feel the need to do so considering turning Sub-Zero into a cyborg, while unfortunate, wouldn't be essential in preventing Armageddon like preventing Smoke's automation would be. He also was hesitant about saving Kitana when she got sentenced for execution, does that mean he is a coward for not trying to save her, as well?
 
Lets talk some more about how crap this story is in general. Metal you say raiden did not stop cyrax and sektor in order to prevent smoke from getting taken.

Well apparently cyrax and sektor have sensors to let them know where sub zero is because they kept showing up where he was. So they couldn't tell that smoke was merely a few feet away as well? This WHOLE story was complete bullcrap. Things like that shouldn't b happening. Cyrax should have been like hey sek smokes right over there I got him on my sensors.lol.

Also jinko think what you want too. However every idea I have seen u guys throw out involves sub zero being a slave or doing the same thing as in the old timeline except in cyber form. Say I'm close minded but I'm just going to say you're unoriginal. Cyber subz is just someone else's story plastered on a different character and they knew they could do that bcuz they were going to kill him anyway. So get over it. It would b easy peasy to bring him back human now with little to no explanation since he's dead.

Also regarding smoke. I've told you he does have potential as a bad guy. That's the only way he's going to get out of subz shadow. I'd post more but I'm on my phone at the time.
 
Subz 711 said:
Also jinko think what you want too. However every idea I have seen u guys throw out involves sub zero being a slave or doing the same thing as in the old timeline except in cyber form. Say I'm close minded but I'm just going to say you're unoriginal. Cyber subz is just someone else's story plastered on a different character and they knew they could do that bcuz they were going to kill him anyway. So get over it. It would b easy peasy to bring him back human now with little to no explanation since he's dead.
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PLEASE quote the exact sentence where someone said that Subzero would be a slave?

Reactivating does not mean he will be a slave just so you know. It means making him FUNCTIONAL again.

please quote.

You just said you were fine with human subzero doing the "SAME THING" in human form. So what's the big deal about him doing it in Robot form?

And no, there are MANY ANGLES to go about this. The fact that he's a CYBORG now, can also mean everyone can't fully trust him because he could be hacked ect ect at any time. This could cause tension with a few members who don't trust "Robot/Cyborg" types.

There are WHOLE MOVIES and ANIMEs and SHOWS based upon robot vs humans and or Cyborg vs Human and the line between the two. So something could be driven from that.

SMOKE was a slave the entire time he was a robot pretty much. Subzero isn't.

I could spend DAYS here typing to you about a million angles they could take to make his story refreshing/new and still have him a Cyborg.

I think since it's a new timeline They should go batshit crazy and change alot of what we know. It's kind of cool because we'll get to see a double outlook on what-ifs. The last story line led to the end of everything. What will this one lead to.

ON THE ACCOUNT OF FROST:

NOBODY HERE IS A FROST FAN THAT I KNOW OF. You assumed just because I defend frost's existence that I'm a fan. I just think it's incredibly shallow the reasons you hate her and want her out. Just like your bias toward subzero. You're SO BIAS toward him and you even admitted your a huge fan. I mean you named your SCREEN name after Subzero. So trust me your bias.

I don't truly care if anyone dies. Even scorpion (revert to kililng off scorpion thread). I don't want a LOT of characters to die. But what I want isn't best for the series. I can swallow and accept my favorite characters being killed off.

I like Raiden/Jade/Kung Lao As my top favorite characters (From story mode). JC is getting there too.



@Araknyd Commander:

I agreed with you, in killing off scorpion thread, that "Wanting a character to stay alive and being upset about it doesn't mean you are a fan of that character only and not a fan of MK"

But you said in THIS THREAD and so did SUBZ

That you would not buy the next game if subzero was not in it.

That DOES make you a subzero fan, not a MK fan. If you are gonna drop MK for 1 character.

I made the analogy earlier that if you take too many originals away it'll become something new. But if the change is gradual enough I think everyone could come to love the new cast.

Skarlet has like ZERO backstory and she was somewhat well recieved for what little we got from her ending.

Character development for her, could be good enough to replace someone. And you could learn to grow on her enough to perhaps forget about the old.


@Subz:
What if a New bad ass Ninja comes in, you might fancy him. And he could be such a bad ass with such a great story. That you'd forget subzero died after a few cycles(not really forget but get over it.)

On the subject of him being a Cyborg?

could you go ahead and just admit that you just have a fetish for the human ninja look and not the robot look?

Because he's KUAI LANG EITHER WAY. So you're obviously not a KUAI LANG fan. Your a human blue ninja fan.

It's ok to admit it bro, It's ok to like something for shallow reasons. But just admit it.


I like Jade for shallow reasons, I mean wtf does she have going for her story wise? Probably the worse story is hers.

But I like her motherly/sisterly personality. And her formal approach to conversations. And how she can turn her back on anyone for Kitana(Shao Khan)

Perhaps shallow to some, because her story isn't deep she has not drives/motives outside helping her best friend Kitana. Surely she gained new friends amongst the good team, in the back scenes.


But enough of that.


Onto your note about Smoke being weaker than Subzero.

WTF? what do you base this off of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2eWeR1Z1I
I believe Smoke just fought Shang Tsung/Kano/Sektor BACK TO BACK then it took 6 robot linkueis at the same time to capture him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl94NXIMnos
Subzero only fought Reptile and Scorpion back to back. (He had rest time after Ermac on his walk toward the tournament)

And if you count only 5 ROBOT's to capture subzero :Trollface:
 
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You know, I kinda like the idea of Smoke becoming a wanderer or a nomad in search of his destiny

Maybe his enenra form can be the key to freeing the dead warriors from Quan Chi's control in some way
 
Critical-Limit said:
PLEASE quote the exact sentence where someone said that Subzero would be a slave?

Reactivating does not mean he will be a slave just so you know. It means making him FUNCTIONAL again.

please quote.

You just said you were fine with human subzero doing the "SAME THING" in human form. So what's the big deal about him doing it in Robot form?

And no, there are MANY ANGLES to go about this. The fact that he's a CYBORG now, can also mean everyone can't fully trust him because he could be hacked ect ect at any time. This could cause tension with a few members who don't trust "Robot/Cyborg" types.

There are WHOLE MOVIES and ANIMEs and SHOWS based upon robot vs humans and or Cyborg vs Human and the line between the two. So something could be driven from that.

SMOKE was a slave the entire time he was a robot pretty much. Subzero isn't.

I could spend DAYS here typing to you about a million angles they could take to make his story refreshing/new and still have him a Cyborg.

I think since it's a new timeline They should go batshit crazy and change alot of what we know. It's kind of cool because we'll get to see a double outlook on what-ifs. The last story line led to the end of everything. What will this one lead to.

ON THE ACCOUNT OF FROST:

NOBODY HERE IS A FROST FAN THAT I KNOW OF. You assumed just because I defend frost's existence that I'm a fan. I just think it's incredibly shallow the reasons you hate her and want her out. Just like your bias toward subzero. You're SO BIAS toward him and you even admitted your a huge fan. I mean you named your SCREEN name after Subzero. So trust me your bias.

I don't truly care if anyone dies. Even scorpion (revert to kililng off scorpion thread). I don't want a LOT of characters to die. But what I want isn't best for the series. I can swallow and accept my favorite characters being killed off.

I like Raiden/Jade/Kung Lao As my top favorite characters (From story mode). JC is getting there too.



@Araknyd Commander:

I agreed with you, in killing off scorpion thread, that "Wanting a character to stay alive and being upset about it doesn't mean you are a fan of that character only and not a fan of MK"

But you said in THIS THREAD and so did SUBZ

That you would not buy the next game if subzero was not in it.

That DOES make you a subzero fan, not a MK fan. If you are gonna drop MK for 1 character.

I made the analogy earlier that if you take too many originals away it'll become something new. But if the change is gradual enough I think everyone could come to love the new cast.

Skarlet has like ZERO backstory and she was somewhat well recieved for what little we got from her ending.

Character development for her, could be good enough to replace someone. And you could learn to grow on her enough to perhaps forget about the old.


@Subz:
What if a New bad ass Ninja comes in, you might fancy him. And he could be such a bad ass with such a great story. That you'd forget subzero died after a few cycles(not really forget but get over it.)

On the subject of him being a Cyborg?

could you go ahead and just admit that you just have a fetish for the human ninja look and not the robot look?

Because he's KUAI LANG EITHER WAY. So you're obviously not a KUAI LANG fan. Your a human blue ninja fan.

It's ok to admit it bro, It's ok to like something for shallow reasons. But just admit it.


I like Jade for shallow reasons, I mean wtf does she have going for her story wise? Probably the worse story is hers.

But I like her motherly/sisterly personality. And her formal approach to conversations. And how she can turn her back on anyone for Kitana(Shao Khan)

Perhaps shallow to some, because her story isn't deep she has not drives/motives outside helping her best friend Kitana. Surely she gained new friends amongst the good team, in the back scenes.


But enough of that.


Onto your note about Smoke being weaker than Subzero.

WTF? what do you base this off of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2eWeR1Z1I
I believe Smoke just fought Shang Tsung/Kano/Sektor BACK TO BACK then it took 6 robot linkueis at the same time to capture him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl94NXIMnos
Subzero only fought Reptile and Scorpion back to back. (He had rest time after Ermac on his walk toward the tournament)

And if you count only 5 ROBOT's to capture subzero :Trollface:
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Sooo much too read and I just ain't got time now to respond but one thing I will reply to now.

I do like kuai liang. Apparently you missed where I said I like all the other forms of sub zero. Unmasked, old man, shredder. I like them all. I actually prefer him unmasked. I don't like him as cyber tho and hell yes its shallow.

If u will read one of my other posts tho I also talk about how so many fans of other characters have had so many different iterations of their characters and they complain. Yet when sub zero fans get pissed at him being a cyborg we all of a sudden suck and can't deal with change. Get the hell out of my face with that. We also apparently must like ninjas since that seems to be what you're saying. All of the different forms of sub zero that have come along I have supported. I am not and will not support him being cyber tho and its for a reason u mentioned. The fact that he can be hacked and taken over or anything of the sort takes away freedom and sub zeros story has always been about having his freedom.

Anyways I'll discuss more when I can get to a computer but don't come up in here jumping my case making accusations about me. Saying I like ninja subs and don't like kuai liang. That's bull and you know it. Most sub zero fans are pissed at this just like all of them smoke fans were for years. We will complain just like them too until it gets changed. Don't come up in here acting like some bad mofo on an internet forum seriously.
 
The fact that he can be hacked doesn't really take away from his freedom at all

I mean, anyone can be enslaved or possessed or whatever. But since Jax reprogrammed him in the story, he was freed from a force destiny of serving the Lin Kuei, and he regained his freedom to choose his own destiny as a result. Cyber Sub-Zero's story is only nothing but good so far when it comes to that aspect (freedom)
 
Subz 711 said:
I don't know. I don't even think it makes sense to have Frost in there. She only showed up to take the Dragon Medallion from Sub-Zero last time. So, she's kind of a lost cause right now unless Sub-Zero is there. Also, if Sub-Zero is DLC it would still piss me off. Sub-Zero and Scorpion (As much as some may hate to admit it) deserve main roster spots over just about anyone. Every game franchise has their key players and Scorpiona and Sub-Zero are MK's. Sub-Zero does not need to be DLC no matter how much money it might make. Also, I'm going to call foul on that too because it would be such an obvious money ploy it's awful. I shouldn't have to pay five dollars for a character who should in all aspects be on the disk in the first place. Lesser characters should be DLC that way if you don't want to buy them you don't have too.

Also, there isn't a source that says the characters will definitively return. However, I take it as fact whether anyone else does or not. They killed Sub-Zero, Kitana, Smoke, Jade, Jax, Kabal, Stryker, Kung Lao, Nightwolf, Sindel, Shang Tsung,(Possibly, although I don't think so) Noob Saibot, and Liu Kang. That's dang near half the cast. Also let's not forget irrelevant characters who they will never do anything with and shouldn't be in over any of the above mentioned like Sheeva, Baraka, Kano, and yes even Reptile. I will not like a story with those guys as the heroes. Not because it's change, but because they have all constantly got their A**es handed to them over the last several years. What is supposed to make me believe they suddenly can step up and protect the world? I'll tell you what...Nothing. If anything those guys should set out a game. Also Nasty, Tremor will not make main roster. Neither will Kia or Jataaka. I'm thinking that's more of a hopeful list than an accurate one.

Tremor will be DLC if anything, while Kia and Jataaka will make a cameo and maybe make it into challenge tower if it makes a return. Other than that they won't make it. Sareena has become far more important than those two, thus why she deserves a roster spot. Kia and Jataaka...not so much. Also to me, maybe not others, but to me Dairou and a couple others are very questionable to be in the next game. Darrius may make it, but I don't think he will be high priority. Drahmin and Hsu Hao have also been blacklisted by Boon on twitter. So several of those guys just won't make it. As much as I hate it Taven and Daegon will probably return at some point because they played such an important part in Armageddon. Moloch may not return either. Jarek is kind of iffy to me too because he didn't appear again after MK4 until Armageddon, and he only appeared then because he had too.

Overall I would take these people off of your list as guaranteed

Jarek
Darrius
Dairou
Kano
Baraka
Sheeva
Hsu Hao
Drahmin
Tremor
Kia
Moloch
Jataaka

I think Frost will probably be there, but Sub-Zero will be as well. Also out of all of the lackey's of MK9 I see Reptile as having the most potential to actually try and help the good guys. Kano and Baraka have always just been evil bastards and I don't even think I can buy them as good. Sheeva is just not really liked by many so she probably won't be back either. That's my reasonings behind those two being left off of my list there. Although they aren't on my roster for the next game.
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I see. Again though, I think Kano, Baraka, and Sheeva may return just to get killed off and have their stories come to conclusions. And believe me, as much as I hate to say this, but there is a high chance NRS would make Sub-Zero DLC if he isn't in the main roster. Mainly because they want to make more money. No matter how much they know others find it wrong, they will do it for $$$$$.
 
Subz: don't ever respond to me unless your gonna read my whole post.

Mask and not masked he was still a blue (ninja) looking dude. You can look like a ninja w/o having a mask on lol. And who would complain about the shredder looking outfit? Shredder is like one of the coolest looking villains so naturally it'd make him look cool.

Id rather my jade be turned into a robot than her be permanently dead. But you don't see me spamming threads about how can jade can come back to life.

There is a frost fanbase out there and you don't seem to care about their feelings.

You are the one making assumptions in here.

Oh... Subzero is stronger than smoke

Oh... Subzeros story cant get better as a robot. Thank you for taking any suggestion I give and using your awful fall back card " but at anytime he could become a slave!" no...


You are the one that keeps putting CSZ in the worst story plot you can think of to make him stuck. No one else is, just you. Why? Because you want to make him look bad as possible.

This makes you no different from your jab at NRS and the PLZ like me rant you went on with him saving troops. You just try to make him look as bad as possible and keep taking the same angle that doesn't need to be taken. you are the only one here not willing to make it work

Not everyone likes good guys. In a war it's natural that troops would be the hostages anyway.

btw thanks for the compliment I wasnt going for Internet bad ass but apparently I gave off such an impression.
 
Critical-Limit said:
@Araknyd Commander:

I agreed with you, in killing off scorpion thread, that "Wanting a character to stay alive and being upset about it doesn't mean you are a fan of that character only and not a fan of MK"

But you said in THIS THREAD and so did SUBZ

That you would not buy the next game if subzero was not in it.

That DOES make you a subzero fan, not a MK fan. If you are gonna drop MK for 1 character.

I made the analogy earlier that if you take too many originals away it'll become something new. But if the change is gradual enough I think everyone could come to love the new cast.

Skarlet has like ZERO backstory and she was somewhat well recieved for what little we got from her ending.

Character development for her, could be good enough to replace someone. And you could learn to grow on her enough to perhaps forget about the old.
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My comment towards me not getting the game goes more towards me not getting the game and possibly waiting a year, as I stated in the killing off Scorpion thread (maybe until it goes to the $10 - $15 bin).
I wouldn't want an MK without Sub-Zero in it because it wouldn't feel like a true MK to me.
Same thing happened when MK3 came out.
I spent countless hours playing it in the arcade, but when I opened it up and put it into my Sega Genesis, and there was no Scorpion in it, I took that shit right back to the store and decided to wait for the next game to come out.
Luckily UMK3 came out about 8 months later, and that's been my go-to MK game every time that I want to play MK3.
I re-bought MK3 about a year ago on eBay, but just for collector's sake more than anything really.
I've been an MK fan since before yellow and blue became popular, so if me not wanting to outright buy an MK game because I don't agree with the direction that they're going in, doesn't make me a fan in YOUR eyes, then that's YOUR fault.
I decided to vote with my wallet.
I'm sorry, but I'm not pre-ordering that shit.

I got the same reaction when I said that I disliked Freddy being in an MK game, and people came out of the woodwork saying "You're not a true fan if you don't support NRS."
Oh, really, so in order to be a fan I have to buy into all of NRS bull-shit whether I agree with it or not????

Why is it that if I don't buy a game, because I don't agree with what they're doing (character or gameplay-wise), I'm labeled as not being an MK fan?
I'm more of a fan than a lot of people who gave up on MK after Armageddon and MKvsDC, and just jumped on MK again because it was hot.
I take that as an personal insult considering that I've supported Midway and NRS for the last 20 years, since 1992.
 
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I don't see how an MK game with gory fatalities, 2D fighting, the Krypt, a rich story experience and almost every other MK character wouldn't feel like a "true MK game", but whatever

People do that same shit with other games like Pokemon Colosseum (BUT THERE'S NO WILD POKEMON HOW CAN IT BE A TRUE POKEMON GAME!!!!!!!!!!!) and even the original MK3 (WHERE'S SCORPION WTH IS THIS THIS ISN'T MK!!!!!!!!!), so I guess it's inevitable

And since you claim to be a fan for so long, it doesn't really make you any better than the bandwagon jumpers you seem to look down upon, since you would be willing to turn your back on a series that you've loved for a long time just because one character isn't in a game

I hate the fact that Scorpion has to be in every game just because of his seniority and iconic status, especially since his story is pretty much the same shit in every game. I've been playing MK almost non-stop since I was 5 years old. I'm about to be 17 in 2 days. You don't see me going, "Scorpion is in the game? **** that, I ain't buyin' that shit 'cause NRS is too much of a pussy to ever leave him out for a new character once"

It's ultimately your prerogative if you don't want to buy MK10 because of no Sub-Zero. But, with that in mind, don't get mad at others if they challenge whether you're a "true fan" of MK, considering what I've just said
 
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