Stryker NEEDS help badly

I'd like to know this Sindel mix up too? The only one I can think of is 2, 1, 2 because it has that low hit that you can go into step up with if you cut out the third punch.

The only time I can pull off some good combos is when they jump into a scream or I corner eff them
 
Man Eater said:
I'd like to know this Sindel mix up too? The only one I can think of is 2, 1, 2 because it has that low hit that you can go into step up with if you cut out the third punch.

The only time I can pull off some good combos is when they jump into a scream or I corner eff them
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On every blocked jump in punch she gets a huge mixup opportunity betwen 212 step up, 212 low fireball (neither of which can be fuzzy guarded), or a throw. All of Stryker's "mixups" come from obvious strings. The only real sort of mixup he has off of a blocked jump in punch is f32 or f3 baton sweep, which are both incredibly slow and easy to read.

I nominate Stryker as the worst character in the game.
 
If stryker is really the worst, deal with it. Unless your going to offline tourneys it doesnt matter anyway. I wreck people with my Sheeva sometimes. Online it is all about player skill and general knowledge, not how good the character is. Yeah if you play a good KL you'll win more, but playing as Stryker will make every win more satisfying, and seriously if your having trouble with stryker check out Vulcan Hades guide. Will help you out.
 
Stryker is far from being the worst. It's just that scrubs pick him up and want to win by spamming gun shot and don't want to put effort on learning the character.

Stryker is the most difficult character to use in the game. Yes, even harder than Shang Tsung and Jade. He is hard to master and requires top notch execution and advanced footsies and zoning knowledge. With Ermac, Kabal, Kenshi, Freddy and Noob, you can get away with spamming projectiles. With Stryker, it's much more complicated than that. You have to actually condition the opponent with gun cancels and constantly keep an eye on frame advantage, spacing and both players meters. He's just not a noob friendly character.

Tier list wise, a lot of people put him on bottom but those people don't know what they're talking about. When you actually take time to analyze matchup advantage vs disadvantage, you realize that Stryker has more good matchups and less bad matchups than characters like Baraka and Sheeva. Yet people say Baraka is low mid tier right now, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
 
Zoidberg747 said:
If stryker is really the worst, deal with it. Unless your going to offline tourneys it doesnt matter anyway. I wreck people with my Sheeva sometimes. Online it is all about player skill and general knowledge, not how good the character is. Yeah if you play a good KL you'll win more, but playing as Stryker will make every win more satisfying, and seriously if your having trouble with stryker check out Vulcan Hades guide. Will help you out.
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I don't main Stryker, but I can see how crappy of a character he is. And yes, a lot of skill comes from the player himself, but characters also play a huge factor in player skill. A decent Kung Lao could wipe the floor with a good Baraka or a good Shang Tsung, only due to how good of a character Kung Lao is (many tools).

And no offence, but the whole "pride in winning with a low tier character" shouldn't throw balance out of the window. Like how Vanilla SF4, Sagat vs Zangief was like an 8-2 match up for Sagat. When players (some not all) start losing as low tier characters against high tier characters, they'll flock to those characters and make the game stagnant. At EVO for Tekken, every match in the top 8 was either Bob vs Law, or Bob vs Bob and why? Because they are top tier.
 
Watch any tourney in Japan and you will see many varieties of characters, yes bob is overpowered but not as much as people think he is. There are a lot of players over there that main Kuma, one of the worst characters in the game, and wreck with him. Tier lists are more useless in Tekken than in MK.

Sorry, just had to correct that last statement. EVO should not be the main thing judged on a worldwide game like Tekken for balance.
 
Revz said:
just quoting part of my original post and thinking why people like aedanwolfe make me think these forums aren't much better than the in-game lobbies anymore. Only a small handful of people even make these forums worth reading anymore (looking at you Critical-Limit).

Thanks for your post aedan, it was totally necessary.

Did you even read it? Have you even played Stryker? Dam near all of his strings and specials aren't safe and his roll loses in most exchanges (some high attacks stop it) and doesn't go under some not low projectiles like they should, and his zoning isn't very good for the amount of options he has. Mileena can out-zone him and she has 1 projectile. He's horribly under-represented but it must be a popularity thing and not that he could use a buff or anything.

Not one person who even uses Stryker seriously even replied to this thread. Mostly comparisons to Sindel? So are her strings slower than Stryker's?? Is her zoning worse than his? Does she not have better wake-up options and an actually useful X-ray? (something I forgot to mention earlier) Ok I guess I'll just agree with you guys then and just ignore what I see when I play against her.

Last time I start a thread on TRMK unless it's about Kung Lao, that seems to be the hip thing to do.

Peace
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i condensed this thread into a more understandable and readible format. thats all.
 
popmaster501 said:
On every blocked jump in punch she gets a huge mixup opportunity betwen 212 step up, 212 low fireball (neither of which can be fuzzy guarded), or a throw. All of Stryker's "mixups" come from obvious strings. The only real sort of mixup he has off of a blocked jump in punch is f32 or f3 baton sweep, which are both incredibly slow and easy to read.

I nominate Stryker as the worst character in the game.
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Huge as in the same combo every time? That's ONE string that can go into an overhead or low fireball. It has a slow start up as well. That's the only string you could come up with right? Yeah
 
Vulcan Hades said:
Stryker is far from being the worst. It's just that scrubs pick him up and want to win by spamming gun shot and don't want to put effort on learning the character.

Stryker is the most difficult character to use in the game. Yes, even harder than Shang Tsung and Jade. He is hard to master and requires top notch execution and advanced footsies and zoning knowledge. With Ermac, Kabal, Kenshi, Freddy and Noob, you can get away with spamming projectiles. With Stryker, it's much more complicated than that. You have to actually condition the opponent with gun cancels and constantly keep an eye on frame advantage, spacing and both players meters. He's just not a noob friendly character.

Tier list wise, a lot of people put him on bottom but those people don't know what they're talking about. When you actually take time to analyze matchup advantage vs disadvantage, you realize that Stryker has more good matchups and less bad matchups than characters like Baraka and Sheeva. Yet people say Baraka is low mid tier right now, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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Baraka is the exact same way, he has many cancels into specials, a solid rushdown game, good damage scaling, and piss poor zoning. Sheeva though I agree, stryker is better, Stryker is also better than Sindel because Sindels damage scaling is sheet
 
Zoidberg747 said:
Baraka is the exact same way, he has many cancels into specials, a solid rushdown game, good damage scaling, and piss poor zoning. Sheeva though I agree, stryker is better, Stryker is also better than Sindel because Sindels damage scaling is sheet
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The only thing Baraka and Stryker have in common is footsies. Stryker doesn't have good rushdown or poor zoning so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think you just meant they both require advanced footsies and frame trap knowledge.

And I wasn't talking about cancels into specials. I was talking about special cancels (Jax's ground pound, Skarlet's dagger, Rain's roundhouse and Stryker's gun). Baraka can't feint a special move.
 
Baraka, while he may not be a rush down beast like Lui Kang or Cage, I personally think he is a better punisher of mistakes/blocked moves. His spin is really, really good. It will punish most blocked moves, and actually has quite high priority. Want to stop a Mileena derping the teleport kick? Use his spin. His chop chop will stop her roll. I would say he is actually one of the better characters to use against her. He really, really struggles with zoners and lamers, like the SZ, Sindel and Ermac players.

His spin is a better anti air than his chop chop as well, but even that move is quite good. The only move of his im leary of is his slices. Beyond using it for combo enders, I don't see much use for it. It's hella slow, and if you block him doing that, you can make him suffer.

Anywho, enough about BA Barakas....is Stryker getting some buff love?
 
Hades got a good point, it these stryker users out there who only rely on his zoning capabilites that make a poor impression of him. As of now, its the community who needs to step their game up, not enough people are spending the right amount of time to get better with him.

Quan Chi on the other hand has no advantage in any matchups, none are in his favor, but since Stryker is so unused, it's difficult to notice. Its like we're getting tiers mixed up (its a shame we even have them)
http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9527-Quan-Chi-Matchup-Discussion-Thread
 
Many of his strings are unsafe on block or too slow
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His strings are a little slow, but he has some good 50/50's that usually catch people off-guard. If he had super fast normals along with his specials then he would be OP.

His zoning is weak
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This makes me question if you have ever played as him. Stryker's zoning is amazing if you time everything right.

Both his roll and baton sweep have low priority
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They both usually catch people off-guard. His roll is great for anti-projectiles.

I think he could use a little buff, but the points that you have aren't really valid.
 
Man Eater said:
Huge as in the same combo every time? That's ONE string that can go into an overhead or low fireball. It has a slow start up as well. That's the only string you could come up with right? Yeah
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It doesn't matter if it has slow startup; if you get them with a blocked jump in punch, they are locked in block stun and they can't do anything. And at least she HAS a decent 50/50 mixup, you can pretty much just block low against Stryker cuz his overhead game is incredibly lacking. Plus with EX fireball u got knockdown which can set up a lot of things for Sindel. So I still stand by my opinion that Sindel is better than Stryker, and I'm fine with you thinking that Sindel is worse than Stryker, I just don't see how that is.
 
You need to read Vulcans guide dude, Stryker has some of the sickest mixups and options in the game. Like Vulcan said, he has a steep learning curve, so what? Learn him or go to an easier character
 
Zoidberg747 said:
You need to read Vulcans guide dude, Stryker has some of the sickest mixups and options in the game. Like Vulcan said, he has a steep learning curve, so what? Learn him or go to an easier character
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read some of it and I still don't see how Stryker is that good of a character. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying that IMO he's the worst character in the game. Obviously in capable hands he's good, but his overall toolset seems to be severely lacking. And again: I don't main Stryker but I do wish that he'd get buffed.
 
popmaster501 said:
read some of it and I still don't see how Stryker is that good of a character. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying that IMO he's the worst character in the game. Obviously in capable hands he's good, but his overall toolset seems to be severely lacking. And again: I don't main Stryker but I do wish that he'd get buffed.
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Whether or not he's the worst character in the game is not opinion, there is no opinion about it. You need to support things with facts. That's like someone saying that Kung Lao is the worst character in the game in their opinion, just because they don't know how to use him.
 
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