NRS get your act together

saix88 said:
So funny how many people on here are push overs and take things as they are...excuse for everything.

Seriously do you guys go eat some food at a restaurant and it tastes like crap and your just like well...cooking is really hard and I can't do it sooooo...
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Um, since when does cooking compare to video games? You have to eat, and you can stop playing games at any time you want. Besides, online isn't to a game as cooking is to a restaurant; gameplay is, even though the point is moot considering cooking cannot be compared with video games in any way.

It's one thing to point out a problem, it's another thing to complain about it, which is exactly what many of you are doing. Every game is going to come with a few bugs or issues, some bigger than others, but that's the beauty of this new generation. We can fix issues like that now. But I honestly feel this new online era is spoiling people, because a lot of you feel entitled to complain endlessly if problems aren't solved overnight. You do realize that NRS is likely fixing the bugs as we speak right? I'm not saying you need to be content with a game with issues, if there is a problem, tell the developers so they can fix it. But, honestly, those are you that are whining about every single DLC/online problem even though NRS has repeatedly stated they are working to fix on that, just need to STFU. People are tired of hearing of you whine. Be happy NRS is even supporting the game; they could easily leave it hanging like I've seen with a few others games with issues.
 
If having patience for such matters makes me a push-over, so be it. This is the best MK I've played in years, so I'll gladly wait until these issues are sorted out. And they will be. There's no sense in puffing your chests out and crying foul when NRS has been nothing but accommodating. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. I'm just glad NRS is actively supporting the game, staying in touch with the community, and fixing things as they surface. So what if they make a few mistakes along the way? They're allowed as long as they rectify the problems. Give it time.

gamemk said:
it's hilarious how everyone on here is taking the developer's side over the consumer who has had to put up with horrible online, infinites, multiple hotfixes, broken properties, and excuses excuses excuses. like someone said, would you keep eating at a dirty restaurant? hell no!
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It's called a fighting game. It happens. Even SSF4AE is guilty of it: http://youtu.be/P3160X6RC1Q
 
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Didn't know I needed to spell things out for you cheeseburger eatin mofos.

Food is a product regardless, there are standards. Everything has a god damn standard and there is always an expectation, got that hamburgler? If you get a car and the thing is breaking down constantly, wouldn't you be pissed, oh wait I'm sorry a car and a video game can't be compared...excuse me while I go drive off a cliff and get a life.
 
gamemk said:
your logic is flawed. while it is true that we must eat in order to live, it is not a false analogy to compare a restaurant to a game developer studio; because although it is true that we have to eat to live, we don't have to eat at restaurants. the restaurants know this, so they try to make sure that everything in their shop is A+(literally in LA), because they know that any patron can CHOOSE to spend their money elsewhere. this is no different with video games. developers try to provide A+ product(at least that they should) so that their consumers don't "CHOOSE" to spend their money elsewhere. NRS isn't competing in a vacuum. lastly, if they did let their broken unpatched games hang in the wind, they would cease to exist as a dev. NRS has no choice but to try to improve their buggy game, because the online community demands it. sorry offline tournament heroes, but if NRS just catered to you, they wouldn't have sold more than a couple hundred copies of mk9.

the same thing used to exist with the arcade scene. MIDWAY didn't keep revising the arcade mortal kombats because they wanted to improve the game. they kept revising it because they didn't want the bugs to discourage kids from popping quarters/tokens into the machine. if they had let mk2 stay at ver. 2.1 then maybe people would've just played street fighter, samurai showdown, fatal fury, darkstalkers, etc....

the only time the mk team didn't have to patch or revise their games was during the ps2 era, because online wasn't an essential factor in development. so they could just cut as many corners as they wanted, and a bunch of money doing it, but what eventually happened? they went bankrupt!

forgive me if i don't shed a tear because the NRS team has to bust their azzes extra hard in order to stay in the game. we all do. the difference is that most of us don't have a job which allows us to keep turning in unfinished work and stay employed. just try it sometime. go into your job, cut corners and see what happens.

it's not whining to expect excellence. not perfection. excellence. i doubt NRS would disagree with me on this.
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Well said in a way everyone should be able to understand.

/end argument.
 
saix88 said:
Didn't know I needed to spell things out for you cheeseburger eatin mofos.

Food is a product regardless, there are standards. Everything has a god damn standard and there is always an expectation, got that hamburgler? If you get a car and the thing is breaking down constantly, wouldn't you be pissed, oh wait I'm sorry a car and a video game can't be compared...excuse me while I go drive off a cliff and get a life.
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The sheer ignorance in this one post is astounding.


1. You have to PAY to get your car fixed (almost always a good amount, too), while patches for a game are absolutely free. Video games are not a necessity, cars and food are. Apples and oranges. I can't make you understand common sense, so if you can't agree on this, then I'm done with that part of the argument.

2. Not everything is black and white. The online portion of most games has always been known to be laggy, or possess issues related to the connection of a game. Online will always have its fair share of lag for some sessions, no matter how many patches you can release. Sometimes others can have a poor connection, ruining a session even if it was running very smooth beforehand. Or you could be using a wireless connection, which isn't as reliable as a wired connection. There is always that expectancy of lag and connection issues with online; why do you think tournaments aren't held online (other than the experience of travelling to other places and competing face-to-face with people)?
 
I'm with Bruce Norris on this one.

When you walk into a restaurant, everything on the menu can be prepared by the chef. It's not like you're walking in their, demanding something new, and the chef is like "Oh shit, I'll try." then ****s up and you go into the back and throw it in his face. NRS has never tried this before, it will be flawed. If you're seriously having connections issues that badly, or you can't play your Skarlet character, don't fly off the handle and put down the very studio that made this awesome game because things aren't working out the way you thought they would. I hate to say it, but the "Shit happens" rule seems to apply here. I know you spent your money, whether it's on DLC content or just in the hopes that you can play a solid online match. These are all totally valid reasons for getting pissed, but everyone is acting like NRS are just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses waiting for a miracle to happen.

The bottom line is things like this take time to fix. Their DLC launched sucked, but I got to be honest, I've had 0 problems with any of the new content other than people forgetting to download the compatibility back. Should it have been made as a mandatory patch download, hell yes. But, reality is it wasn't, they dropped the ball, but honestly sitting around thinking that they are doing nothing about it or not trying to fix it is just idiotic. If you're that mad, go on twitter and sign a petition or something to the developers demanding a refund for your purchase because you didn't get the game you wanted to receive, along with your money back for all the DLC you bought because it doesn't work, and see what they say.

They are probably going to tell you the same thing I'm about to tell you now. Chill and wait. Everything will be fixed in due time. If not, try the petition idea. XD

Also, I've had no syncing problems either. Lag here and there, but I've never experienced half the stuff other people are talking about, but I'm sure it's still aggravating none the less. Things will change soon, trust me.
 
gamemk said:
your logic is flawed. while it is true that we must eat in order to live, it is not a false analogy to compare a restaurant to a game developer studio; because although it is true that we have to eat to live, we don't have to eat at restaurants. the restaurants know this, so they try to make sure that everything in their shop is A+(literally in LA), because they know that any patron can CHOOSE to spend their money elsewhere. this is no different with video games. developers try to provide A+ product(at least that they should) so that their consumers don't "CHOOSE" to spend their money elsewhere. NRS isn't competing in a vacuum. lastly, if they did let their broken unpatched games hang in the wind, they would cease to exist as a dev. NRS has no choice but to try to improve their buggy game, because the online community demands it. sorry offline tournament heroes, but if NRS just catered to you, they wouldn't have sold more than a couple hundred copies of mk9.

the same thing used to exist with the arcade scene. MIDWAY didn't keep revising the arcade mortal kombats because they wanted to improve the game or spend the extra money. they kept revising it because they didn't want the bugs to discourage kids from popping quarters/tokens into the machine. if they had let mk2 stay at ver. 2.1 then maybe people would've just played street fighter, samurai showdown, fatal fury, darkstalkers, etc....

the only time the mk team didn't have to patch or revise their games was during the ps2 era, because online wasn't an essential factor in development. so they could just cut as many corners as they wanted, and a bunch of money doing it, but what eventually happened? they went bankrupt!

forgive me if i don't shed a tear because the NRS team has to bust their azzes extra hard in order to stay in the game. we all do. the difference is that most of us don't have a job which allows us to keep turning in unfinished work and stay employed. just try it sometime. go into your job, cut corners and see what happens.

it's not whining to expect excellence. not perfection. excellence. i doubt NRS would disagree with me on this.
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Finally, someone who can debate with my arguments with some sense. A lot of what you said is correct. I applaud you, sir, but I still have some things that must be said.


1. Midway didn't go bankrupt because of MK. The series during the PS2 era was still enjoying decent sales, and it was keeping Midway on thin ice. But Midway's financial woes caught up to them regardless of how MK was doing.

2. Look at Modern Warfare 2. That game has a ton of bugs and issues, yet MW3 is still coming out to much fanfare. Not all developers who cut corners and release unfinished products suffer the consequences of it, at least not initially.
 
Keep comparing video games (a hobby) to things that are actually important. A more accurate comparison would be say...an iPhone. Which even though Apple makes tons more money off of is still very glitchy in MANY ways. Yet lo and behold still rakes in mega bucks because people realize luxury items don't have to work absolutely perfect in every way to serve their purpose.

If your gonna complain, do it somewhere it could actually serve a purpose (NRS forum maybe?). Reiterating the same stuff thats been said a thousand times on a random site is relatively worthless.
 
2. Look at Modern Warfare 2. That game has a ton of bugs and issues, yet MW3 is still coming out to much fanfare. Not all developers who cut corners and release unfinished products suffer the consequences of it, at least not initially.
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You see, now I lost all confidence in you. :D

MW2 has a 'ton of bugs and issues' if you combine one bad experience from each and every individual player who has ever played that game. Then you can say it has a lot of problems. But, as an avid CoD player, I've never experienced such unbalanced issues or glitches in MW2 or BO. At least on my end. I seem to have a lot of luck with that.

On further note, why would NRS listen to the community about what characters they want to see for DLC, but not listen to them about the lag issues and DLC issues that everyone seems to be having? That kind of logic is just stupid.
 
Bruce Norris Forever said:
The sheer ignorance in this one post is astounding.


1. You have to PAY to get your car fixed (almost always a good amount, too), while patches for a game are absolutely free. Video games are not a necessity, cars and food are. Apples and oranges. I can't make you understand common sense, so if you can't agree on this, then I'm done with that part of the argument.

2. Not everything is black and white. The online portion of most games has always been known to be laggy, or possess issues related to the connection of a game. Online will always have its fair share of lag for some sessions, no matter how many patches you can release. Sometimes others can have a poor connection, ruining a session even if it was running very smooth beforehand. Or you could be using a wireless connection, which isn't as reliable as a wired connection. There is always that expectancy of lag and connection issues with online; why do you think tournaments aren't held online (other than the experience of travelling to other places and competing face-to-face with people)?
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Agreed! most of the analogies aren't working as the situations are no where near related. With these online issues, they are just asking for some patience. they aren't going to charge you, they are doing it for free. Plus the issues are not that major, you can still play the game and enjoy it. A few features need tweaking big deal. Its part of the deal with new technology you have to deal with bugs. They get fixed but it requires patience.
 
Matt Wilson said:
You see, now I lost all confidence in you. :D

MW2 has a 'ton of bugs and issues' if you combine one bad experience from each and every individual player who has ever played that game. Then you can say it has a lot of problems. But, as an avid CoD player, I've never experienced such unbalanced issues or glitches in MW2 or BO. At least on my end. I seem to have a lot of luck with that.

On further note, why would NRS listen to the community about what characters they want to see for DLC, but not listen to them about the lag issues and DLC issues that everyone seems to be having? That kind of logic is just stupid.
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Well, it "had' bugs. There was a huge Javelin glitch near launch (don't remember exactly what it was, though) that immediately had to be fixed. What I mean by issues is that was terribly unbalanced; things like using killstreaks to get more killstreaks, the Commando perk (a .44 Magnum Tactical Knife with the Marathon Pro/Lightweight Pro/Commando Pro perk combo? Madness.), a UMP .45 Silenced, etc.

And I certainly don't think that NRS won't acknowledge the bugs within the game and yet continue to release DLC for it; that was one of the main components of my argument.
 
vacua said:
Actually, some ppl should get a clue and see the reality and take off their neverland glasses... what patches did they released since release? please tell me.... i always see ppl telling that they "continually patching" etc.

FYI: Its not ****ing true! They release ONE patch since release to fix their damn online mode after more than 2 Months! That alone is a shame, but guess what dude... the patch didnt even fixed all the issues, no. Netcode is a little bit better, but koth is still unplayable not because of massive lags like before, no, because u always got out of sync errors all the time.

Then such issues with Costumes freezing your damn Console etc. i mnean wtf is going on here? I dont care about hotfixes where they change some DMG of 3 Charakters, which is so WAYNE for online players, it actually only affects these same 50 tournament players and none else. Whats the point of a good balance on the charakters if the damn online mode isnt even working correctly? PLEASE guys, get a ****ing clue, the game is not only about these 50 "Pros" going to offline tournaments. If NRS cant handle their whole game + online mode, then MK9 is dead faster than any other game.

edit: i dont want to talk about the latest problems with the skarlet DLC... sigh
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The realesed 2 patches (1.01 and 1.02) and a Hotfix
 
Well, it "had' bugs. There was a huge Javelin glitch near launch (don't remember exactly what it was, though) that immediately had to be fixed. What I mean by issues is that was terribly unbalanced; things like using killstreaks to get more killstreaks, the Commando perk (a .44 Magnum Tactical Knife with the Marathon Pro/Lightweight Pro/Commando Pro perk combo? Madness.), a UMP .45 Silenced, etc.
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XDXDXDXDXD At the Javelin bug. If you launched it toward your feet, it would explode in a 30 yard radius killing everyone nearby! As for everything else, it boils down to situational awareness. The same should be applied for this game. Just because something doesn't work the way you want it to, or something is hard to counter, doesn't mean it needs to be patched. A lot of times people never want to blame themselves for their lack of skill, so they blame the game. It's been that way forever. Of course, we all know there are things that actually need to be fixed, but the developers will not whats right from wrong.
 
gamemk said:
Midway was not good, they were lucky. basically, they were lucky that they hired a man named john tobias, and that this man knew daniel pesina and other martial arts fighters. ed boon could've been replaced by any code monkey, and with boon at the helm, mortal kombat went right into the crapper. and no, that isn't to say that mk1-umk3 were perfect; they weren't.

to paraphrase pixar's ed catmull "successful companies always say, there isn't a shortage of good people. there's a shortage of good ideas, and people who can say to a successful business 'NO! you shouldn't do that. it's a bad idea.'"

NRS is not and probably never will be up to the task of making a polished, complete NEXT GEN game, and i think it's a shame when people come on here and defend people who have been working in the industry for OVER A DECADE!

I don't care if they've never released a game on ps3, or dlc, or whatever. get it right! if you walked into NRS with your portfolio or your demo reel and presented it half azzed, do you think the person hiring you will give a f__k if you didn't have enough time to finish, or enough skill at the time, or the experience! hell no! they'd want to see results, and i'm 100% sure that they wouldn't say "look, we understand that your work isn't complete, but we're gonna hire you anyway and we'll let you patch it up on the fly". LOL. what's the first thing they ask for on job descriptions?

it's hilarious how everyone on here is taking the developer's side over the consumer who has had to put up with horrible online, infinites, multiple hotfixes, broken properties, and excuses excuses excuses. like someone said, would you keep eating at a dirty restaurant? hell no!
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You do know that NRS isn't obligated to fix this stuff right? You should at least show a little appreciation that they are actually trying to fix it rather than dismiss it entirely. Or release a whole new game with content that could've been added as DLC
 
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Matt Wilson said:
XDXDXDXDXD At the Javelin bug. If you launched it toward your feet, it would explode in a 30 yard radius killing everyone nearby! As for everything else, it boils down to situational awareness. The same should be applied for this game. Just because something doesn't work the way you want it to, or something is hard to counter, doesn't mean it needs to be patched. A lot of times people never want to blame themselves for their lack of skill, so they blame the game. It's been that way forever. Of course, we all know there are things that actually need to be fixed, but the developers will not whats right from wrong.
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I try to not point fingers at anybody (I'm a decent CoD player but not the best), but you just can't help it if you've shot at a guy about 3 times running towards you with the Marathon/Lightweight/Commando perk combo, only to be knifed from like 6 feet away right when the last bullet or 2 is about to sink in lol. I don't usually care, though, because most times I'll find out and kill him mercilessly.

But, yeah, I totally agree with you on everything you just said.
 
I love MK, but I don't know how anyone can defend this half-assed, broken piece of crap. Don't get me wrong, the offline is awesome...but a big selling point for this game was the online, which is complete dog poo.

1.) I'm lucky if I can get in one fight for every 20 minutes that I spend online. That's terribly broken, and it ends up being a huge waste of time.
2.) During character select, Kratos is now missing half the time, and Skarlet is missing the other half. C'mon son!
3.) In my experience, online has been getting gradually worse...it started out sorta crappy, and now it's close to unplayable...so much for the patches and the "behind the scenes" network repair.
4.) Some lag here and there is acceptable, and should probably be expected, so I'll take that for what it is. But it shouldn't take me 20 minutes just to get the chance to see if I've even got a viable connection.

I just want the damn game to work. Doesn't have to be perfect...but right now I wouldn't even call it functional online...it's broken. Why continue to defend and make excuses for someone who just sold me junk?
 
Stewlie said:
I love MK, but I don't know how anyone can defend this half-assed, broken piece of crap. Don't get me wrong, the offline is awesome...but a big selling point for this game was the online, which is complete dog poo.

1.) I'm lucky if I can get in one fight for every 20 minutes that I spend online. That's terribly broken, and it ends up being a huge waste of time.
2.) During character select, Kratos is now missing half the time, and Skarlet is missing the other half. C'mon son!
3.) In my experience, online has been getting gradually worse...it started out sorta crappy, and now it's close to unplayable...so much for the patches and the "behind the scenes" network repair.
4.) Some lag here and there is acceptable, and should probably be expected, so I'll take that for what it is. But it shouldn't take me 20 minutes just to get the chance to see if I've even got a viable connection.

I just want the damn game to work. Doesn't have to be perfect...but right now I wouldn't even call it functional online...it's broken. Why continue to defend and make excuses for someone who just sold me junk?
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Hmm maybe its either your connection or a PS thing, since I DLed the patch ive put roughly 30 ranked matches in. Out of those games I've had 3/4 desyncs, 2 games w/a single lag spike that lasted maybe 4 seconds tops and it takes an average of around 10 seconds to find a match. All of that is LITERAL. I don't know what you consider "dog poo, unplayable,junk" or if you just have been playing ggpo your whole online career, none of that comes close to describing my personal online experience the past few days.
 
Awwwwww, no more bomb trapping?! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

So close to mastering cyrax. Well, time to move on to another scrub!
 
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