The Shujinko Factor

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This has been bugging me for quite a bit and I hope the devs don't overlook this but I just recently replayed MKD's Konquest mode and noticed that Shujinko goes into the Netherrealm for the second time right before MK1 happens because of his purifying his soul with Nightwolf. While he's in the netherrealm everything up to the end of MK4 happens so I'm wondering what kind of role Shujinko might play in the whole Netherrealm invasion of Earthrealm and Outworld if the MK team doesn't overlook this detail.

Also Raiden, as far as we know hasn't confronted Shujinko about his quest for the Kamidogu so he should still very well be on it and Onaga could still return.
 
Sounds like a reality TV show.

What ever role he has I hope they modify his moves somehow to not be exactly the same. He was just like Chameleon.
 
Im hoping for him to have a central hero role. He is arguably the most developed character so far in the MK games and there is a lot that can be done with his backstory integrating into his gameplay and it does not need to be a copy paste of tother character's specials. As for the story a logical way to go about it is with Raiden looking for him. Since him and Kai being ex-members of the White Lotus Society, it would only be natural for Raiden to approach them to help strengthen back earth's defenses. Onaga/Damashi too would suggest Shujinko to aid Earthrealm since as long as Shinnok has possession of his amulet (the final kamidogu) Onaga cannot rise to full power.
 
i think he'll be like Motaro in Mk9, a quick killing off and he's done. Like Raiden shows up and says "Stop your quest" Shujinko "no way", then raiden kills him.
 
I wouldn't be surprise if Raiden does. He's been acting a fool lately.

To have Shujinko return in any future installment could be nice and I wonder the same thing. Maybe with the change of events in MK9, 'Damashi' might never appear and Shujinko could come in to play a different way. It would be better if they did something more unique with his abilities too.
 
Noob-Zer013 said:
I wouldn't be surprise if Raiden does. He's been acting a fool lately.

To have Shujinko return in any future installment could be nice and I wonder the same thing. Maybe with the change of events in MK9, 'Damashi' might never appear and Shujinko could come in to play a different way. It would be better if they did something more unique with his abilities too.
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Yeah but according to MK Deception's Konquest mode, Shujinko was approached by Damashi decades before MK1 so all of the events of MK9 still happened but Shujinko is just absorbing negative energy in the netherrealm still. If I'm not mistaken by this point he should have already found the Earthrealm, Netherrealm and Chaosrealm Kamidogu. He may have also gotten a hold of the Outworld one as well but that's about it.
 
I liked Shujinko a lot. I hope he is in the next game. He needs his own moves though. I like the idea of him still using the Mantis fighting style also.
 
This is the only site I know who really supports Shujinko. I'm not a fan. Sure, he was awesome in Deception, but that was Deception.

This is now. Shujinko plays like chameleon, and after having his own spotlight in deception he returned in Armageddon as a bland character. Granted Armageddon was a bad game, but he didn't stick out as a character I particularly wanted to explore again. He just seemed like a plot device for Deception's konquest mode.

Just like Taven was a plot device for Armageddon's konquest. Hell at least Taven had an original power (time altering).

Overall, they could kill him in a cutscene and I wouldn't care. Hell, they did it to Motaro and I cared more about him.

Reiko, Tanya, Kai, Fujin, Sareena, Mavado, Nitara, Li Mei, Bo Rai Cho, Frost, Hotaru, Havik, and Ashrah.

That's it. Those are the only characters who should be eligible to return.
 
I actually liked the conquest story in Deception (one of like a few things that I actually liked), but I did not like Shujinko... playable wise.

I wished he had his own moves instead of taking every other character's special. I understood why, but here's the thing, it wasn't needed. He could have had his own powers, to make him more original. Heck, his fatalities had a lot of double sword action, he could have used them in ways for his special abilities.

I don't mind him, he was a decent character. I just hope that whenever we see him the next time, he gets his own moves.
 
Subz 711 said:
This is the only site I know who really supports Shujinko. I'm not a fan. Sure, he was awesome in Deception, but that was Deception.

This is now. Shujinko plays like chameleon, and after having his own spotlight in deception he returned in Armageddon as a bland character. Granted Armageddon was a bad game, but he didn't stick out as a character I particularly wanted to explore again.
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I don't really understand this. It is not like armageddon was released in the immediate past to classify it as 'now'. As you said Armageddon was a generally bad game with a plethora of uninspired playstyles for characters, don't see why Shujinko has to be singled out for it. If at all he returns, Im sure NRS wouldn't make him a copy-paste sort of character, they learnt their lesson with that and showed how they can be creative, like with Kenshi.

Shujinko's inclusion into MK10's storyline would do much more good than little to any harm, especially storywise since it makes a lot of sense for him to return playing a key role while setting up the story for future installments. Also contrary to what you think, there are quite a few who like Shujinko, even outside TRMK and wouldn't mind his return. In my prospective MK 10 story I had written, I have yet to receive any negative feedback regarding Shujinko's inclusion as one of the main heroes.
 
Not really. I mean here I see people want Shujinko, but the majority of TYM and MKO seem to be okay with him disappearing.

What I was saying is that by the time Armageddon had rolled around nobody cared about Shujinko. NOBODY. Taven came in as the new protagonist and Shujinko was all but forgotten. I'm sorry dude, but he's not a Liu Kang. If anything it's Kai's time to shine. Kai never truly got that chance and at least seems to have more individuality than Shujinko.

I'm just saying, Jinko has a decent story, but it does not apply to Shinnok at all. I also feel like he was just good guy 1 who was supposed to move the plot forward in Deception and teach us the playstyles of different characters.

Honestly, with Jade's ending I'm hoping that the one-being is manifesting himself differently this time around. That would possibly see different characters retrieve the kamidogu. That would make Shujinko obsolete.

I think your wanting him back as the MAIN protagonist again, and I'm sorry to say I think you are going to get your feelings hurt.
 
It was the fault of the MK team for discarding Shujinko's story in Deception. Completely stupid to introduce a new protagonist one game, and in the next have him pretty much become a cameo.



His lack of unique special moves tied in with his story. He was a regular man that was trained by the kombatants themselves. That is some seriously sick shit. Hanzo 'Scorpion' Hasashi HIMSELF taught Shujikno how to throw a spear. That's what a lot of people do not take into consideration when talking about him. He is easily top 3 for best individual story. And that's saying a lot for only being featured in one game.


Though to appease the whiners, I say give Shujinko the powers of Yin & Yang. Dark and light attacks with a flashy Shaolin fighting style.
 
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It was the fault of the MK team for discarding Shujinko's story in Deception. Completely stupid to introduce a new protagonist one game, and in the next have him pretty much become a cameo.



His lack of unique special moves tied in with his story. He was a regular man that was trained by the kombatants themselves. That is some seriously sick shit. Hanzo 'Scorpion' Hasashi HIMSELF taught Shujikno how to throw a spear. That's what a lot of people do not take into consideration when talking about him. He is easily top 3 for best individual story. And that's saying a lot for only being featured in one game.


Though to appease the whiners, I say give Shujinko the powers of Yin & Yang. Dark and light attacks with a flashy Shaolin fighting style.
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It was the MK team's fault for screwing up like the majority of Mk9's story (Child Mileena, Take a backseat shang tsung, and yes Cyber Sub-Zero). Unfortunately, that stuff happened though, just like Shujinko stopped being relevant immediately after Deception was over (hence my believing he was just there to move the story along). I liked Taven too while I was playing Armageddon's konquest, but I don't want him coming back either.

Yes, he got his powers from every character. I get that. That's sort of unbelievable to though because if one figured out he was allies with another then why would they train with him? (like Jade and Tanya, Noob and Sub-Zero, hell any of the rivals.). It was just a really fun way of letting us test each moveset at the end of the day.

I'm not downplaying him. He was a decent character, but most Deception characters shouldn't return. He's one of them. If he does, it should be in a later game.
 
Subz 711 said:
It was the MK team's fault for screwing up like the majority of Mk9's story (Child Mileena, Take a backseat shang tsung, and yes Cyber Sub-Zero). Unfortunately, that stuff happened though, just like Shujinko stopped being relevant immediately after Deception was over (hence my believing he was just there to move the story along). I liked Taven too while I was playing Armageddon's konquest, but I don't want him coming back either.
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Mostly everyone besides Taven, Daegon and Blaze stopped being relevant in MKA, so I don't see your point regarding Shujinko. Armageddon was NRS's cop out game to make a quick buck, so their consideration for any sort of story then should not be taken seriously. Also going by your logic, there is no reason for characters like Sub Zero to return either, his past story never really went anywhere, whats the point of having him other than him being an iconic character? Yea, nothing.

Personally I enjoyed and liked the storymode of MK9, I would rate it second only to MKD's story. The character deaths were required imo for taking MK forward, seeing the staple characters over and over can only help so much.
 
I'm just mostly worried about huge inconsistencies with the lore. Like him or not he's kind of part of the MK story now and the time reset technically shouldn't have affected his quest at all up to the point in time I mentioned in the first post. The thing that keeps bringing me back into MK besides the fighting is not the gore, it's the presence and potential of the game's lore and story. When I notice that the MK team might overlook something as huge as this, especially something that's gonna affect ALL the realms it gets me nervous.
 
^ This is basically it. MK 10 is going to be the deciding factor for me on NRS's credibility as developers who aren't afraid to take bold steps by trying to strengthen an already well established quality lore (sans armageddon), sticking to it and implementing whatever changes, logically. Instead if there are planning to take the easy route by just ignoring everything in the past and just rewriting everything, then sorry, I'll lose respect and interest in NRS and their future games.
 
You should have already lost respect for them by rewriting the lore in places where Raiden didn't even interfere. There were huge inconsistencies with the source material in Mk9 which shouldn't have been effected AT ALL. I'm mad at Cyber Subz, but at least that was a CHANGE in their crappy story that Raiden made.

Shang and Mileena were both basically ruined character wise though. While Kitana and Mileena's whole relationship was obliterated as well. I'm sorry, but MK9 was bad storywise.

THE saving grace for MK9 was not it's story. It was the roster that everybody loves. The MAIN MK roster. That and Solid gameplay this time around.

Knowledge will show you that the games started going downhill the second they started bloating their roster with filler characters (Shujinko).

Sub-Zero's point was never to be the main protagonist in the series. He was always a supporting character, but he was one who tied in with so many other characters and they rely on him just to make their story better. So, in that sense Sub-Zero is very important to the history and lore of MK.

Shujinko is a failed attempt at trying to replace the main protagonist in the series (Liu Kang). Just like Taven.
 
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