whatashame
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400 and some odd million bucks, to be more precise.mahalo said:
The Passion Of The Christ
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God of thunder
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mahalo said:
I don't see how the movie incites religious intolerance any more than the damage the the catholic church and other organizations have done to use and abuse faith among the common people.
Malitor Greymaulkin
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same arguement
You can compare your statement to when a kid listens to "ANY" kind of music (I know Metal is picked on alot), and then the kid kills themself. Many people try to blame this on whatever artist was being listened to at the time.. all I have to say about the matter is the Kid had problems anyway, the music didn't MAKE him do it.
However, a "disturbed" person, may be more receptive to negative feedback than the average person. That's why it is so important to watch what you say, because words can be used to lift someone up, but they can also be used to kill someone.
Actually, it doesn't incite intolerance.. If someone watches the movie and goes and harms someone else.. they missed the whole message!!! People make their true selves known by their fruits.
You can compare your statement to when a kid listens to "ANY" kind of music (I know Metal is picked on alot), and then the kid kills themself. Many people try to blame this on whatever artist was being listened to at the time.. all I have to say about the matter is the Kid had problems anyway, the music didn't MAKE him do it.
However, a "disturbed" person, may be more receptive to negative feedback than the average person. That's why it is so important to watch what you say, because words can be used to lift someone up, but they can also be used to kill someone.
Malitor Greymaulkin
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missed point
This thread was about "The Passion of the Christ", not the "The Passion of Jihad".
I'm only speaking from the perspective of True Christianity... I didn't say that "religion" doesn't influence people. There are plenty of people out there who say they are Christians, but do not act like it. You can't lump everyone into a group based on professed beliefs.. actions speak louder than words and the true idiots of the world make themselves known. Individuals have to be responsible for themselves. I cannot speak for you and you cannot speak for me. I only use the word "Christianity" as a reference by where you might understand where I am coming from. Following Jesus is not a "religion". Man uses religion to control and manipulate. Again look at people's fruits. I don't believe in "classifications" and "denominations", those are man made.
Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments".. when asked about the commandments he said "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The reason why he said this is that if you love your neighbor as yourself... you won't kill them, covet their stuff, etc.. This is the basis for "Christianity". If you step out of this then you are none of His.
I hope you don't phreak out that I posted Bible text. I'm sure you knew all of this anyway.
This thread was about "The Passion of the Christ", not the "The Passion of Jihad".
I'm only speaking from the perspective of True Christianity... I didn't say that "religion" doesn't influence people. There are plenty of people out there who say they are Christians, but do not act like it. You can't lump everyone into a group based on professed beliefs.. actions speak louder than words and the true idiots of the world make themselves known. Individuals have to be responsible for themselves. I cannot speak for you and you cannot speak for me. I only use the word "Christianity" as a reference by where you might understand where I am coming from. Following Jesus is not a "religion". Man uses religion to control and manipulate. Again look at people's fruits. I don't believe in "classifications" and "denominations", those are man made.
Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments".. when asked about the commandments he said "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The reason why he said this is that if you love your neighbor as yourself... you won't kill them, covet their stuff, etc.. This is the basis for "Christianity". If you step out of this then you are none of His.
I hope you don't phreak out that I posted Bible text. I'm sure you knew all of this anyway.
Re: missed point
In between Jesus' teachings was a portrayal of Jews being barbaric, hateful, murderers. The morals could've been conveyed in this movie without the glaringly obvious intention of blaming anyone. This is why movies like this incite hatred. Islamic fundamentalists are fed propaganda similar to this and it amazingly works. Do you see the connection I was trying to make yet?
Malitor Greymaulkin said:
In between Jesus' teachings was a portrayal of Jews being barbaric, hateful, murderers. The morals could've been conveyed in this movie without the glaringly obvious intention of blaming anyone. This is why movies like this incite hatred. Islamic fundamentalists are fed propaganda similar to this and it amazingly works. Do you see the connection I was trying to make yet?
Malitor Greymaulkin
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Oh yeah
I completely understand what you are saying, but an important part of your statement goes back to what I already said:
Being that they are already fundamentalist/extremist, they already have an inclination of violence toward Jews/Christians. They've been taught that by their fathers through the generations all the way back to Ishmael. Doesn't mean it is right.
Another important message "Those without forgiveness, cannot be forgiven".
On another note, I think we've both made our points and we can go back and forth, saying the same thing over and over and over and over and never get any further. I say we stop now. Feel free to post another message if you feel so vindicated as to have the last word. This will be my last on this topic so if you feel inclined to flame away, I acquiesce.
I completely understand what you are saying, but an important part of your statement goes back to what I already said:
Being that they are already fundamentalist/extremist, they already have an inclination of violence toward Jews/Christians. They've been taught that by their fathers through the generations all the way back to Ishmael. Doesn't mean it is right.
Another important message "Those without forgiveness, cannot be forgiven".
On another note, I think we've both made our points and we can go back and forth, saying the same thing over and over and over and over and never get any further. I say we stop now. Feel free to post another message if you feel so vindicated as to have the last word. This will be my last on this topic so if you feel inclined to flame away, I acquiesce.
undertaker3x7 said:
I don't necessary think it's true at all. This is just how Mel Gibson envisioned the last hours of Jesus. I don't think that Jesus was the son of a supreme being that doesn't exist in the physical realm. I don't think that Jesus rose from the dead or did anything that even comes close to being a so-called "miracle."
I do think that there probably was a man named Jesus that was kind to everyone and treated most everyone equally. Why do you never hear of the other people at the time that were proclaimed to be the messiah? Or why don't you ever hear of the other "books" of the Bible that were supposed works of God(I like the name "Chip" better for the creator of the universe) that never made the cut? It is because there were many events and circumstances in that day and time that people didn't understand the way we understand them today. When people didn't have a logical explanation for something, they just used Chip as a copout. The bible and its stories were chosen by people, just like other stories and accounts that got scratched and didn't make the cut. I guess those other guys that died just didn't have a dramatic enough story to beat out Jesus and make it in the bible.
With that being said, I have not seen and will never watch this movie. I'm sure that some guy was tortured and died, and a lot of people liked him, but I never knew him, and it was over 2000 years ago, so I don't care.
Jacksonbriggs
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Real mature mods. Taking away all my posts because you don't agree with them. Real opened minded individuals on this site. You can bash God but heaven forbid you defend Him. I am the only person not making any type of discriminatory comments out of all these posts. You are very dissapointing. I guess you have now made your stand with those who belive in "evolution." It is obvious you "like to play God" but removing anyone elses opinion that does not agree with you. I can see this site only welcomes individuals who's opinion agree with your own. What a shame.
raidenfighter
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Jacksonbriggs said:
Check general discussion, dumbass. Nobody deleted your posts, they just got movied. You judgemental little bitch.
Jacksonbriggs
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Wow, your "evolved" language shocks me. I can see where you use to be a monkey LOL. Actually, I can see that you have not fully evolved yet. Should I send you a banana?? BTW nobody told me they moved the forum, unless I was psychic I would have no way of knowing that would I smart guy?? maybe swearing is the only thing that makes you feel good about yourself because it's all you know. Sad, truly sad.
Jacksonbriggs
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jgreenwo. Then you tell me how a Christian is "suppose" to act. We are not suppoose to be door mats. You cannot slam god then tell me I am suppose to live to a different standard man. I will defend God just like you guys defend there being no God. Jesus turned over tables when they were gambling in the church. There is such a thing as righteous anger. Funny how you are only pointing me out when you have other people swearing and cursing. Why is that? Please enlighten me.
Jacksonbriggs
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I will just refrain from posting any further on this topic. It really isn't serving a purpose any way. There are just a bunch of people attacking one person any way. You all are not even trying to make a point, you are all just trying to make youself sound smart so you feel good about not beliveing in God. So good luck all.
Jacksonbriggs said:
Everyone else that is swearing, or cursing, or badmouthing others doesn't believe that it is a sin to do so. That's what I don't understand about Christians. Most of the time, they say they hold this higher set of values than other people, but they don't live their lives according to them. That's fine if you defend God, I just think that if you do, and you really believe in that, then you should hold yourself to a higher standard. If you don't, it's hypocrisy. Again, I'm not trying to insult you, just stating what I think about the situation.
Jacksonbriggs
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I agree 100% with you jgreenwo. That's why I have no cursed or used fowl language just for that reason. But, just because I stumble does not make me a bad Christian. Christians are people just like everyone else, we are not better or worse just because of our beliefs.
raidenfighter
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Jacksonbriggs said:
Yes, your lack of "fowl" language is astounding. I'm quite impressed that you aren't clucking like a chicken.
And, by the way, humans did not evolve from monkeys, and evolution does not say that. It's a form of divergent evolution. We originated from the same source. Said source isn't around any longer.
And, by the way, it's just that I like insulting you. I find you to be a bitch and a dumbass. And I don't need to be told what or what not to do by a mystical entity that lives in the sky and gets off on watching humanity fuck itself over. if there is, in fact, a God, then he probably is the rough equivalent of the Christian devil. You know what they say, the greatest evil is when good men stand idle.
Sub-Zero_83
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I just want to say that I agree with those who think that -- at best -- this movie is a gory mess and little more.
As an agnostic who has big problems with organized religion (though I'm going to avoid going into that to honour the mod's request), I made it a point not to see this movie because everything I've ever read on it suggests that it dwells almost entirely on the torture. I obviously am not a Biblical scholar, but I always thought that what really mattered about Christ was what he did while he was ALIVE. :?
A sacrifice on behalf of humankind is all well in good, but without the good life to use as a benchmark it's a meaningless sacrifice. Would be praising Hitler if he sacrificed himself for all of us? I rest my case.
And incidently, another area where PotC diverges from "truth" (or at least what The Bible claims happened) is that as I recall Christ and the Apostles aren't described at all as being Jewish, when anyone who really paid any attention to this stuff knows that they were.
As an agnostic who has big problems with organized religion (though I'm going to avoid going into that to honour the mod's request), I made it a point not to see this movie because everything I've ever read on it suggests that it dwells almost entirely on the torture. I obviously am not a Biblical scholar, but I always thought that what really mattered about Christ was what he did while he was ALIVE. :?
A sacrifice on behalf of humankind is all well in good, but without the good life to use as a benchmark it's a meaningless sacrifice. Would be praising Hitler if he sacrificed himself for all of us? I rest my case.
And incidently, another area where PotC diverges from "truth" (or at least what The Bible claims happened) is that as I recall Christ and the Apostles aren't described at all as being Jewish, when anyone who really paid any attention to this stuff knows that they were.
Jacksonbriggs
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raidenfighter
"And, by the way, it's just that I like insulting you. I find you to be a bitch and a dumbass. And I don't need to be told what or what not to do by a mystical entity that lives in the sky and gets off on watching humanity !@#$ itself over. if there is, in fact, a God, then he probably is the rough equivalent of the Christian devil. You know what they say, the greatest evil is when good men stand idle."
I knew you liked insulting me, that is why I am here. They also said "the greatest trick the devil did was make people believe he didn't exist" I
"And, by the way, it's just that I like insulting you. I find you to be a bitch and a dumbass. And I don't need to be told what or what not to do by a mystical entity that lives in the sky and gets off on watching humanity !@#$ itself over. if there is, in fact, a God, then he probably is the rough equivalent of the Christian devil. You know what they say, the greatest evil is when good men stand idle."
I knew you liked insulting me, that is why I am here. They also said "the greatest trick the devil did was make people believe he didn't exist" I