Mortal Kombat 1 General Discussion Media Thread

Both Sony and XBOX are just desperately throwing hands with no clue on what to do next. Helldivers 2 fiasco was Playstation being desperate for additional Playstation members and XBOX now has to make 70 billion back... somehow.
GamePass price hike supposedly is the rumor floating around as of late, but MS can kindly fuck off with that.
My subscription lapsed yesterday and with the news of these 4 studio shut downs I was like "Fuck you, MS."
That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
The only reason that I haven't gotten rid of my Xbox is to support Arkane Lyon with the Blade game.
Same with MK1.
Only reason I'm sticking around this long is for kameo Ferra and Takeda (1 of my MKX mains) and maybe if they add stage Fatalities once the expansion comes out.
This is where I get off of the MK bus, too.
So it was nice while it lasted, I guess.🫡
 
Console era is dying. Everything what made consoles cool or superior to PC are gone. There is no practical reason to buy a console. Only a habit. I can Switch hanging on, cause it is a handheld, but Steam Deck is now coming for dat money.

Both Sony and XBOX are just desperately throwing hands with no clue on what to do next. Helldivers 2 fiasco was Playstation being desperate for additional Playstation members and XBOX now has to make 70 billion back... somehow.
Helldivers 2 is a Sony owned franchise that is very popular on PC. The problem is PC people don’t care about Sony or PlayStation’s ecosystem on their platform. Obviously Sony doesn't want to give up a portion of their profits to Steam but Steam rules the roost there. Always has, always will. Microsoft ran into the same issue when they tried to sell their Xbox games at the Microsoft store. If it isn’t available on Steam or GOG it’s dead in the water on PC. Epic games found this out the hard way. As usual, it boils down to control but PC is an open platform that is impossible to control with its own unique set of problems aka hacking, piracy ect, vs the closed platform of consoles. There is no clear answer for the industry right now. One things for sure. These bloated AAA budgets are out of control and unsustainable. I disagree with your statement on ''the Console era is dying.'' I think a lot of that thinking comes from Microsoft pushing their Agenda with cloud gaming and game pass not boosting their Xbox hardware sales numbers. Which is why they had to run to Sony and Nintendo platforms to make their games profitable again. There's even weirdos saying ''lol Xbox games are selling better on PlayStation than PlayStation games! Microsoft wins lol" what the fuuuuuuuu? Are you even listening to yourself right now? Lol.
 
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Helldivers 2 is a Sony owned franchise that is very popular on PC. The problem is PC people don’t care about Sony or PlayStation’s ecosystem on their platform. Obviously Sony doesn't want to give up a portion of their profits to Steam but Steam rules the roost there. Always has, always will. Microsoft ran into the same issue when they tried to sell their Xbox games at the Microsoft store. If it isn’t available on Steam or GOG it’s dead in the water on PC. Epic games found this out the hard way. As usual, it boils down to control but PC is an open platform that is impossible to control with its own unique set of problems aka hacking, piracy ect, vs the closed platform of consoles. There is no clear answer for the industry right now. One things for sure. These bloated AAA budgets are out of control and unsustainable. I disagree with your statement on ''the Console era is dying.'' I think a lot of that thinking comes from Microsoft pushing their Agenda with cloud gaming and game pass not boosting their Xbox hardware sales numbers. Which is why they had to run to Sony and Nintendo platforms to make their games profitable again. There's even weirdos saying ''lol Xbox games are selling better on PlayStation than PlayStation games! Microsoft wins lol" what the fuuuuuuuu? Are you even listening to yourself right now? Lol.
Nobody can compete with Steam is because nobody is putting the effort. You seriously consider Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision, Epic or any of the many corporations that put out random ass launcher as serious attempts?

Epic launcher took months just to get a goddamn shopping cart for their store.

The best attempt was made by EA with their "ORIGIN". But when I say the "best", I am talking bottom of the barrel best. Still nowhere close to Steam. It had the biggest investment and the most aggressive marketing, but even then it didn't faze the people.

The only reason GOG managed to operate, is cause they offer something that Steam doesn't have. They have a lot of older games that are unavailable on Steam AND if I remember correctly, they offer ability to unite all your launchers into one, so you can access all your games at all times.

As long, as nobody puts the same amount or more effort in building a platform, that can actually compete with Steam in the number of features, nobody will ever touch Steam. And corporates don't push boundaries, they play safe. The only ones who can do that are non corporate types who have no shareholder leash on them and those people have no reason to do that, cause Steam is satisfying everyone with what they have.

And I heavily disagree that the game has to be on Steam to succeed. A really good game, sells itself. Just like any other product. Valve itself showed that with "Half Life: Alyx". People bitched about it being VR exclusive and didn't like the pricing, but it still didn't stop "Index" headset from being a top seller for multiple weeks. And back then that bloody thing cost 1000 bucks.


As for consoles. Xbox and Playstation had multiple elements in the past, that made it superior to PC. Cost, ability to play in the living room on big TV and exclusives.

We have HDMI cables now, so you can plug your PC to TV. Steam Deck also gives an option to play your PC games on handheld device, so you can be crapping out the biggest Number 2 on your toilet bowl, while smacking some poor sod in a fighting game.

Exclusives... what exclusives? In the past both Playstation and Xbox had "platform sellers" games that made it worth it to buy a whole damn console. Not anymore. Both Playstation and Xbox have nothing, that is on the level of "Gears of War", "Halo", "Uncharted" or any other Titans of the past. And now all games are coming to PC anyway. Doesn't matter if it is a year later or not.

So only thing that remains is the cost. In the past people had this delusion that if you want to play games on PC, you need to invest thousands in your PC. Sure, if you wanted to play everything 4k, 144 fps, all Ultra with insane visuals. Then yeah. 5-10k easy.

But in reality? The vast majority of games.... no. The OVERHWELMING MAJORITY of games, can be played on PC under 1k. And with AAA burn out, people are realizing that we have more games, than you could ever play in your life.

Most real good games, don't require you to have latest GPU that costs half of your mortgage, nor a custom RGB light decked out case. Most of the smaller games are made by people that understand the concept of "compression", "optimization" and "fun".

So in the end... what's the point of consoles? Both consoles are incredibly hostile to indie developers, which makes them pretty much exclusive to AAA games. And people are sick and tired of AAA games.

To be honest I was surprised to see how much burned out people are. I have already given up on people, being perpetual consumers that will be fine with spending 70 bucks on garbage like MK1. But nope. Even Gen Z kids prefer older or indie games. And none of those games require UBER PC.

So yeah. Console war is over. Corporations killed their own platforms and Valve won everything, cause unlike their competition, they never tried to have ALL THE MONEY.
 
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Big corporations like Microsoft gave up on building a store that rivals Steam because the return isn't worth what they would have to invest. Microsoft cast the PC market aside to chase the living room with Xbox. Which is why they are in the situation they're in now. You can't abandon your PC audience for consoles. Only release a small amount of Xbox games on PC than years later go ''opsy sorry about that! We'll put all our Xbox games back on PC. PLZ love us again!'' PC gaming had already moved over to Steam by than in the 2000s. Microsoft tried but the PC crowd laughed in their face and said ''Fuck off! If it Isn't on Steam we don't care!''. It's been that way ever since.
Most big Corpos outside of Nintendo just want to be on everything to make the most money. Problem is you can't have your cake and eat it too. This is why the cost of games has gone up while the quality has gone down. Like I already said before the cost of making big AAA games is too high and takes too long to make now. Nintendo's own president in a recent interview made that crystal clear. Unless some new A.I technology or whatever comes along I only see it getting worse going forward.

Now far as the ''you don't need to spend a ton of money to play high quality games on PC!'' goes....Yes you can but Most self respecting PC Gamers don't build a PC without future proofing it in some way. That means you're going to spend more in the long run than you would for a PS5. There's also the whole drivers and optimization thing which no casual gamer wants to deal with. Not to mention not all PC games are compatible with a controller. Yes... There are ways around that with third party software but again it's another hoop to jump through just to play your games. Things consoles never have to worry about. You just plug them up to your tv, connect to the Internet , download to the lastest system update and Thats it. Again PC gaming is all about power and customization to get the best quality out of your games not necessarily convenience. Sure PC's are more accessible than ever but it's still has a ways to go before it replaces the console market entirely. I don't get your ''Valve won everything'' comment. Valve has had it's blunders as well. The Steambox,was supposed to beat Microsoft at their own game but failed miserably. Which is why their chasing the handheld market with the steamdeck but other than the hardcore steam fans out there. I don't see it touching Nintendo switch numbers anytime soon. Microsoft is also rumored to be working on a handheld as well so that's even more competition for them.
 
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Big corporations like Microsoft gave up on building a store that rivals Steam because the return isn't worth what they would have to invest. Microsoft cast the PC market aside to chase the living room with Xbox. Which is why they are in the situation they're in now. You can't abandon your PC audience for consoles. Only release a small amount of Xbox games on PC than years later go ''opsy sorry about that! We'll put all our Xbox games back on PC. PLZ love us again!'' PC gaming had already moved over to Steam by than in the 2000s. Microsoft tried but the PC crowd laughed in their face and said ''Fuck off! If it Isn't on Steam we don't care!''. It's been that way ever since.
Most big Corpos outside of Nintendo just want to be on everything to make the most money. Problem is you can't have your cake and eat it too. This is why the cost of games has gone up while the quality has gone down. Like I already said before the cost of making big AAA games is too high and takes too long to make now. Nintendo's own president in a recent interview made that crystal clear. Unless some new A.I technology or whatever comes along I only see it getting worse going forward.

Now far as the ''you don't need to spend a ton of money to play high quality games on PC!'' goes....Yes you can but Most self respecting PC Gamers don't build a PC without future proofing it in some way. That means you're going to spend more in the long run than you would for a PS5. There's also the whole drivers and optimization thing which no casual gamer wants to deal with. Not to mention not all PC games are compatible with a controller. Yes... There are ways around that with third party software but again it's another hoop to jump through just to play your games. Things consoles never have to worry about. You just plug them up to your tv, connect to the Internet , download to the lastest system update and Thats it. Again PC gaming is all about power and customization to get the best quality out of your games not necessarily convenience. Sure PC's are more accessible than ever but it's still has a ways to go before it replaces the console market entirely. I don't get your ''Valve won everything'' comment. Valve has had it's blunders as well. The Steambox,was supposed to beat Microsoft at their own game but failed miserably. Which is why their chasing the handheld market with the steamdeck but other than the hardcore steam fans out there. I don't see it touching Nintendo switch numbers anytime soon. Microsoft is also rumored to be working on a handheld as well so that's even more competition for them.

My point was solidified today with Square Enix announcement. They are ditching PS5 exclusivity. Others will follow.


And yeah Valve had its blunders, but they can afford them. They are the only company that didn't lay off anyone. They had many mistakes. Hell anyone remember "Artifact"? Their own "Hearthstone" basically? Dead in the water.

But where it matters, they have succeeded. Counter-strike alone to this day is making them HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS per month. They created economy, but allow players to play in it. They just take the small percentage.

The rest of corpos don't want that. They don't want "percentages", they want it ALL (like you also mentioned it). That's the reason why their platforms have failed. They don't want to create a platform, where people make their own stuff. They want to dictate EVERYTHING. Steam on other hand, allows you the freedom.

Also gods let's stop with this nonsense about AAA titles becoming some sort of colossal engineering achievement. Every. Single. Botched. AAA game, had issues that were BASIC at best. Crappy optimization, crappy movement, crappy quality work. QA people treated like shit. Rushed deadlines. Bombastic marketing and let's not forget. The salaries of the executives. that keep going up with each year.

But, but, but AAA development is becoming more expensive, cause games becoming more sophisticated!

BULL FUCKING SHIT. Sophisticated my ass. Can't get a simple animations done right anymore, devs taking weeks to decide what to do with a problem that could be coded in 30 minutes before lunch, college graduates who have no prior experience filling up dev teams, while experienced veterans are leaving in droves. And those freshly cooked graduates have to learn the new engine, while also having to deal with insane deadlines and increasing scopes of the games.

"We need some sort of A.I to improve things" No, we don't. We need to solve team management and human part. Engines and tools got better, but human element got worse. If we had veterans of the past working with new engines, we would be already at the gates of gaming revolution, but instead we are stuck getting basic shit, while costs are skyrocketing. Street Fighter 6 in 2023 did what MK deception did in 2006. While MK1 is charging you 70 bucks for what? Cinematic cuctscenes? Crappy invasions mode with repeating fights? Recycled skins from other seasons? And MK1 isn't the only game that does that. How many open world games we have, that give you massive worlds, but are completely devoid of life and just filled with crappy escort/gathering quests? When was the last time we had technological innovation, when it comes gameplay aspect? 5 years? 10 years? The only ones who have really pushed boundaries, were Valve in 2020 with Half Life Alyx. Fully utilizing VR elements to full potential. But anything else? We don't get even new titles anymore. Just remakes and reboots now.

To put it simply. It ain't AAA games that are becoming more expensive. It is just money that is spending becoming more excessive and executive pockets are getting deeper. That's it. Corporations are based on a system of infinite growth, which is not sustainable. Hence why they are collapsing and hence the desperate measures. Hence why Valve won. Every company that tried fighting them, crawled back to them. They are the only company that didn't have to lay off anyone. The only company that can sit and chill with č0 year old game, while money is rolling into a bank.
 
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Square Enix has been a clown show for years now so it's hard to take anything they say seriously anymore. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth didn't sell as much as Square wanted. What a shocker!!! The same company that cried about Tomb Raider not selling enough despite it being multiplat and selling over 3 million units at release. Most AA publishers would kill for those numbers and that was back in 2013. The same company that went through ungodly amounts of development cash with FF13 vs now known as FF15. From what i gather it almost bankrupt them until Sony came knocking with a sack of money going ''Can we get that FF7 remake now?'' Than they went and made Forspoken which was a dud. Foamstars which was a even bigger dud. Both games where multiplat BTW...but yeah it's those damn PS5 AAA exclusives that are fucking everything up!! IMO FF7 Rebirth is a fantastic AAA game but it's bound to a publisher that doesn't know what they're doing anymore. Without Sonys money we wouldn't have got FF7 remake/rebirth in the first place.
 
Square Enix has been a clown show for years now so it's hard to take anything they say seriously anymore. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth didn't sell as much as Square wanted. What a shocker!!! The same company that cried about Tomb Raider not selling enough despite it being multiplat and selling over 3 million units at release. Most AA publishers would kill for those numbers and that was back in 2013. The same company that went through ungodly amounts of development cash with FF13 vs now known as FF15. From what i gather it almost bankrupt them until Sony came knocking with a sack of money going ''Can we get that FF7 remake now?'' Than they went and made Forspoken which was a dud. Foamstars which was a even bigger dud. Both games where multiplat BTW...but yeah it's those damn PS5 AAA exclusives that are fucking everything up!! IMO FF7 Rebirth is a fantastic AAA game but it's bound to a publisher that doesn't know what they're doing anymore. Without Sonys money we wouldn't have got FF7 remake/rebirth in the first place.

Yeah. Square Enix is having the problem with excessive spending, insane expectations, agenda pushing and aimless direction... that's like... every other corporation right now?

Sony on other hand is already talking about PS6, as PS5 sales have been miserable. Thanks to COVID, lack of interest and lack of units. So yeah, Square Enix ain't happy about sales numbers, due limited number of console users too. Not to mention Playstation is pretty much dead in Japan. The HOMEGROUND for Playstation. Japanese are all about handhelds now.

So once again, my point stands. Consoles are over. There is no reason to buy one and there is no reason to make exclusives for them, Whatever they had special about them is gone.
 
Yeah. Square Enix is having the problem with excessive spending, insane expectations, agenda pushing and aimless direction... that's like... every other corporation right now?

Sony on other hand is already talking about PS6, as PS5 sales have been miserable. Thanks to COVID, lack of interest and lack of units. So yeah, Square Enix ain't happy about sales numbers, due limited number of console users too. Not to mention Playstation is pretty much dead in Japan. The HOMEGROUND for Playstation. Japanese are all about handhelds now.

So once again, my point stands. Consoles are over. There is no reason to buy one and there is no reason to make exclusives for them, Whatever they had special about them is gone.
I've never really understood the whole Japan vs the console market argument. Japan hasn't cared about consoles in general for years now. Like you previously mentioned Mobile games and Nintendo handhelds dominate there so it's not really a good metric to use on the state of the console industry. That's the same as looking at China where Mobile/PC is the preferred platform and going ''See China doesn't care about PlayStation! The console days are over!'' While ignoring the rest of the world. Japan didn't care about PS4 ether despite it going on sell over 80 million units worldwide. They still don't know what a Xbox is over there that's why Microsoft gave up on them years ago. Square Enix knew all this going in yet still cried about it after taking Sonys money. No one wants to own up to the fact that the economy is in the shitter and people are still recovering from Covid financially. People just aren't in a hurry to spend 500 on a console right now. That doesn't mean the console market is dead though and from what I'm hearing PS5 is sitting at about 40 to 50 million units sold so far. The Nintendo switch is around a 100 million. Xbox is well.........Xbox. I personally think that most people are waiting on the PlayStation 5 pro or Switch 2 to be unveiled this summer but we'll have to wait and see.
 
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I think consoles could eventually be phased out, but at the very least with there being 1 more generation before it does.
MS is already wanting to have people "play anywhere" and do cloud play / saves, and Samsung TVs are already coming with the Xbox app so you essentially just plug in a controller.

Hell, I'm 1 of those people that isn't in a rush to get EITHER a PS5 or Series X even still now because neither of them have given me a reason to.
Got a Series S about a little over 2 1/2 years ago....... and with that and my PS4 I'm still golden.
God Of War sequels have been on PS4 and I don't mind waiting on a sale for Spider-Man, and just about everything else that's newer I have been enjoying on my Series S just fine.
Doing the bare minimum as a gamer for a bare minimum / "fuck the consumers" / live service / half-assed games generation and asshole devs.
Go figure. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I think the biggest problem is people are tired of seeing the same third person action/Rpg open world games over and over again with a better coat of paint. I remember back in 2006_7 where every game had to be a Military AAA FPS or it was considered bottom of the barrel. Companies are just to scared to take a chance and try something new for fear of going out of business. Indy studios are getting to be the same way. That's why every game we see looks like a carbon copy of the last game. This is why Capcom is re remaking Resident Evil 1 for the third fucking time! The industry is beyond stagnant at this point
 
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I think the biggest problem is people are tired of seeing the same third person action/Rpg open world games over and over again with a better coat of paint. I remember back in 2006_7 where every game had to be a Military AAA FPS or it was considered bottom of the barrel. Companies are just to scared to take a chance and try something new for fear of going out of business. Indy studios are getting to be the same way. That's why every game we see looks like a carbon copy of the last game. This is why Capcom is re remaking Resident Evil 1 for the third fucking time! The industry is beyond stagnant at this point
For me, it's just the same live service / always online / MP / looter-shooter shit that just doesn't interest me.

We could have had an awesome final Batman game with Kevin Conroy, but nope, instead his final performance is in the shitty Suicide Squad game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We could have had an MK that gives you free update skins (like with MKX) or like in MK11 how you could also earn Krystals for skins and the currency wasn't finite and extra Brutalities for characters came with updates, but instead we have greedy fuck-face David Zaslav calling the shots for MK1.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We could have had another Dishonored sequel (which is what Arkane has been wanting to do ever since before Deathloop and what they were pitching prior to being shut down), but then you have the fuck-faces in Zenimax / Bethesda and MS calling the shots and forcing live-service / looter-shooter / always online shit onto a studio that doesn't normally do that nor even wanted to do it......and, welp. There you have it. Redfall.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People are also getting fed up with being fucking nickle-and-dimed to death for everything and games not being given enough time to cook and thrown out half-assed due to "fix it post-launch" mentality, which is likely why there's a 7 million copy difference in sales between MK11 and MK1 within the same amount of time (11 million copies of MK11 vs 4 million copies of MK1 within 7~8 months).
 
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Yeah, and a crash that (if it happens) is caused by the moronic publishers and CEOs themselves.
If they'd listen to what the customers actually want then they wouldn't be in this shit.
Radio silence, $12 Fatality packs, $10 skins, a finite in-game currency (Krystals) and a half-assed Invasion mode isn't what people want to see in an MK game.
Talk about tone-deaf.
 
Well looks like I was wrong...... the MK Subreddit is basically a cemetery as well.
The MKLeaks sub-reddit is the one to go to if you want info.
In the last 2 years the MK sub-reddit has become obnoxious as shit.
If it's dying out then good, fuck it. It's become a cesspool of shit.
 
Wow, remember when the fiction/lore of Mortal Kombat was always better than the fiction/lore of Street Fighter? Well, not anymore. The fiction/lore of Street Fighter is better than the fiction/lore of Mortal Kombat now. Just this whole Vega storyline is better than most of the Mortal Kombat 12 storyline.

Even someone commented about this on a youtube video regarding Vega:


@jamesmeeks4852

1 day ago

I think he is the original Bison that was put into a coma to keep his original body alive while they looked for a suitable host. I feel when his essence was released by Ryu in 5, it found its way to the original body, waking him up prematurely so he lost memory. Great content Max.
 
Wow, remember when the fiction/lore of Mortal Kombat was always better than the fiction/lore of Street Fighter? Well, not anymore. The fiction/lore of Street Fighter is better than the fiction/lore of Mortal Kombat now. Just this whole Vega storyline is better than most of the Mortal Kombat 12 storyline.

Even someone commented about this on a youtube video regarding Vega:
I mean... it's not like it is a high bar to beat you know? Pretty much any half passionate fan fiction could beat MK story nowadays.

I think MK story line is the only one that hasn't moved past MK1.

MK1-MK7 = Original Timeline
MK9 - MK11 = NRS Era Reboot
M1K = NRS Era Second Reboot.

While the rest of fighting games have progressed with their stories, MK keeps resetting its own story.
 
I mean... it's not like it is a high bar to beat you know? Pretty much any half passionate fan fiction could beat MK story nowadays.

I think MK story line is the only one that hasn't moved past MK1.

MK1-MK7 = Original Timeline
MK9 - MK11 = NRS Era Reboot
M1K = NRS Era Second Reboot.

While the rest of fighting games have progressed with their stories, MK keeps resetting its own story.
That's because Dominic can't write worth a shit.
We finally had some new stuff for characters like Goro, Sheeva, Daegon, Havik and Reiko within the MKX comics that Kittelsen was helping get new storylines out for, but asshole Dominic considers the MKX comics to all be head canon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Meanwhile, this same shit-head makes MK1 Kuai-Liang into Scorpion, makes Tarkat into a disease-ridden race / group of beings, gives Shao Kahn a childhood disease the equivalent of leukemia via Liu Kang, makes Kung Lao and Raiden into farmers, turns Kenshi into an ex-Yakuza, makes Mileena suffer from the same "disease" as Baraka and the Tarkatans via Shang Tsung who is now an alchemist / scientist and now supposedly Takeda is a cousin. :rolleyes:
Grade-A writing right there, Dom. /s
Worst of all, this is who Boon wants to eventually give the reigns to in the future. Goodness fucking gracious.
 
I mean... it's not like it is a high bar to beat you know? Pretty much any half passionate fan fiction could beat MK story nowadays.

I think MK story line is the only one that hasn't moved past MK1.

MK1-MK7 = Original Timeline
MK9 - MK11 = NRS Era Reboot
M1K = NRS Era Second Reboot.

While the rest of fighting games have progressed with their stories, MK keeps resetting its own story.
Other FGs don't have much of a story lol.
 
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