Armageddon and the Seventh Kamidogu

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What fallows is a logical argument, of my construction, that outlines the importance of Shinnok's Amulet, the Seventh Kamidogu, and the integral role it plays in Armageddon.

1: Damashi, Onaga, had to deceived Shujinko three times to achieve his goal.
1a: Damashi deceived Shujinko into believing that Damashi was an emissary of the Elder Gods.
1b: Damashi deceived Shujinko into believing that Shujinko was the Elder God's Chosen Champion.
1c: Damashi deceived Shujinko into believing that Monster was not the Elder God's Chosen Champion, and then reaffirmed proposition 1b.

2: Damashi had no reason to deceive Shujinko beyond proposition 1.
2a: In fact, it only makes sense that for Shujinko to be competent enough to do Damashi's bidding in the realms; Shujinko had to understand and thus be told the truth about everything else concerning his quest, aside from the deceptions in proposition 1.

3: Because of propositions 1 and 2; I conclude that everything Damashi told Shujinko, besides what was listed in proposition 1, is true.

4: Because of proposition 3; I conclude that the Mortal Kombat Kreation Story Damashi related to Shujinko is true.

5: Lord Shinnok created his own amulet, Shinnok's Amulet, with the four elemental powers that comprise Earthrealm; Wind, Earth, Water, and Fire.

6: Shinnok created his amulet so he could use it to transcend to Earthrealm and bar his peer Elder Gods from fallowing him; thus allowing him to rage war against Earthrealm, without his peers able to directly interfere, and try to take it for his own. This is the First Raiden Shinnok War.

7: Quan Chi has also used Shinnok's Amulet to open a Soulnado; a portal to the Heavens themselves. He used this portal to supply souls to Shang Tsung; which was part of the Deadly Alliance Agreement between the two sorcerers.

8: In Defenders of the Realm, Raiden explains that Earthrealm is the interchange between the realms.

9: Earthrealm has the strongest life force.

10: The Kamidogu are physical objects that each hold a single spiritual essence.

11: Quan Chi's Armageddon Ending states that Shinnok's Amulet is a Kamidogu.

12: There is no documentation of any interealm transportation before Shinnok created his amulet.

13: Because of propositions 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12; I conclude that Shinnok's Amulet is a Kamidogu.
13a: Unlike the six Realm Kamidogu, who's essences are those of their respective Realms, Shinnok's Amulet's essence is that of interchange; inter dimensional transportation between the Realms.
13b: No interealm transportation happened before Shinnok created his amulet; and it only makes sense that the Kamidogu comprised of the same elements that comprise the Realm with the most powerful life force, that is the interchange between realms, possesses such qualities as being the Kamidogu of Interchange.

14: One Kamidogu can only posses one essence.
14a: Before the creations of the Realms, the single Kamidogu possessed the essence of the One Being.
14b: After the Kamidogu was shattered on the One Being, and broke into six different shards, the One Being's Conscience had to fallow suit because the one Kamidogu that possessed its essence became six Kamidogu.

15: The reason that Earthrealm's Kamidogu doesn't posses the powers of Shinnok's Amulet is because, as proposition 15 states, one Kamidogu can only posses one essence; and Earthrealm's Kamidogu already possessed the essence of Earthrealm.

16: Shujinko's Pre-Armageddon Bio explains how he shattered the six Realm Kamidogu, defeated Onaga, and how Nightwolf then used his shamanic powers to send the Dragon King to the Neatherealm.

17: In Armageddon's Konquest, Blaze relates to Taven that it was his duty to guard the realms until they were in danger. Then he was to send out a psychic scream that would wake the brothers and start the Armageddon Quest.

18: Blaze defines the danger mentioned in proposition 17, that was his duty to watch for, as the Kombatants taping into the forces that made Existence itself possible.

19: If the Kamidogu ever merge, the Realms would pancake down on top of each other, vacuuming up all of Existence as they recombine into the One Being; likely restarting the battle between the One Being and the Elder Gods.

20: The reason Blaze took so long to act, not until the events of MKU which mostly take place near the end of MKD, is because the realms were in no tangible danger prior to this.
20a: Blaze chose to act after the events described in proposition 16.
20b: This means that there was no tangible danger until after the events of proposition 16.
20c: Armageddon, proposition 19, can not happen unless all the Kamidogu, thus including Shinnok's Amulet, merge.
20d: In accordance with proposition 18; I conclude that Blaze himself is saying, by when he chose to act, that the Realms were in no tangible danger until after the events described in proposition 16.

21: Because of proposition 20d; I conclude that the only way to merge the essences of the Kamidogu, and thus by merging all of the Kamidogu essences triggering the event of Armageddon, is to release their essences by shattering their physical confines.
21a: The reason the Dragon King failed to achieve merging them is because he left them physically in tact.
21b: This was a safety mechanism, no one holding the keys of Existence hostage would likely think of destroying the very bargaining tools held.
21c: When Shujinko, under good intentions, tried to atone for his mistakes by destroying the Dragon King and saving the Realms; he inadvertently unleashed six of the seven keys needing to be released to destroy the Realms.

22: In conclusion, the Armageddon Konquest and Tournament were both last ditch attempts to prevent the event of Armageddon from happening.
22a: Blaze triggered both once he realized the jeopardy the realms were placed in by Shujinko releasing six of the seven Kamidogu; thus allowing those six Kamidogu to merge.
22b: Now that only one Kamidogu is left in tact, Shinnok's Amulet, the Realms are on the brink of total annihilation.

23: Interestingly enough, if MK8 relates that Quan Chi's MK Armageddon Ending Bio is true, and Quan chi is holding the one and only true Shinnok's Amulet, as opposed to one of his self-created duplicates; then the event of Armageddon would be unleashed.
23a: Look closely, not only is his Bio the first to ever call Shinnok's Amulet a Kamidogu; it also shatters it.
 
if what is said in mk deadly alliance is true then quan-chi did not use shinnoks amulet to create a soulnado he instead use hidden scripture found in the ancient temple of the long forgotten dragon king. (remember it said in MKDA that he imprinted the scriptures on his skin?) and to even further back up my explanations if you look back to sub-zero mythologies in the very last battle (if you've played the game) shinnok's amulet only served the purpose of protecting him from harm and granting him a percentage of power. also if you look in deception which starts you proporstitions it says that quan-chi's amulet (stolen from shinnok) was what the dragon king came for, and thereby giving you leverage in your explanation. It was always to my knowledge that shinnok's amulet was much different from quan-chi's but what caused me to rethink the proporsititon was the fact that quan-chi stole it from him which mean it is in fact the corect amulet.This is diffocult to place for now, but something (to my knowledge) has been unaccounted for, meaning that somewhere in the proporstitions (particularly in prop 7) lies a flaw. I believe so because of the possiblity that somewhere in the explanation, a story is untold...unfinished This here is a very complex and interesting topic and i would love to come back to it sometime soon so you might here from me again. Thanks!!!! see you soon!!!
 
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after reexamining proporstiton 13 it realy makes sense that shinnok's amulet is in fact not a kamidogu because of the fact that the kamidogu are shattered pieces of the one being, and thereby makes it fairly difficult to say that shinnok's amulet is a kamidogu. in order to make it a kamidogu, it would've had to take place during the being and end of the one being to make it an important piece in the final battle of armageddon. since shinnok was not apart of the one being's demise it is rather impossible to expect shinnok, a fallen elder god to posses such power and to have failed. and if what is said in MKD in tanya's ending is possible about her killing the dragon king and forming the kamidogu into one becoming lord or whatever she was, the realms as we know it would not be sucked up as you explained but she would rule these realms, meaning that the existence of the realms wouldn't be shattered or destoryed, and finished but controled and ruled by overlord tanya, though it was just a "what would happen" type of ending if it where possible it would cancel out all of the other proporstitions involving shinnok's amulet being a kamidogu. But going back to that, shinnok's amulet wouldn't be able to posses all that power to even be considered a kamidogu. which means thees still currently only six existing real kamidogu in the game as we know it. there shouldn't be any speculations, though i expect them to appear often. but to give much detail in your explanations and to give much back up evidence for it to support it would mean that you obviously took alitle time to make an interesting topic. Thanks again!!
 
I think it far more likely that Shinnok's Amulet is just a kind of "key" that the Dragon King chose to study. It is in itself a VERY powerful artifact blessed with Shinnok's power as an elder god (which is btw a LOT of power). All those scriptures in Onaga's palace were clearly his studies into sorcery and I think he merely discovered an alternative use for the amulet, not its true nature. He saw that he could use that powerful object to merge the Kamidogu, but it in itself does not necessarily need to BE a kamidogu. Especially considering Kamidogu don't seem to hold any "power" judging from MKD (at least not in the same sense that Shinnok's Amulet does, the kamidogu clearly make Onaga invincible).
 
Is that what you were trying to say? I can't imagine how "I thought Damashi was The Dragon King?" translates in your head into "Onaga hired Scorpion to test Shujinko". But it's always hard for normal people to understand how lesser minds work.

As for a response, well, that might be what happened. But don't forget it's never been said that Monster was in fact Scorpion. I'm pretty sure Monster fought Shujinko too far in the past to have been Scorpion. If you look at the timeline, and Shujinko's age at the time, Scorpion would have had to be a spectre already, not to mention be working for Damashi when we have never heard of Scorpion working for anybody but himself until his MKD ending. I maintain that Monster and Scorpion are NOT the same being.

I'm hoping MK8 satisfies some of the open-ended story elements. Because MKA did a really crappy job of it. MKA's story was a dramatic change of form for MK. MK1 was about competing in a tournament to decide the fate of Earthrealm. MK2 was about fighting in a tournament (orchestrated through illicit means by Shao Kahn looking for another bite at the apple) to decide the fate of Earthrealm. MK3 was about Shao Kahn finally getting that second bite at the apple and Earthrealm fighters kicking his ass. Now that ends that arc. MK4 was a semi-continuation of MKM which introduced Shinnok the fallen god who wants another chance at Earthrealm. Are you seeing a pattern? MKDA switched it up. This time it's two villains together trying to take over Outworld, and subsequently anywhere else they want. MKD was about a long dead (and now ressurected) emporer looking to reclaim his throne and continue his legacy of konquest.

Now, up to that point we can clearly see that MK stories revolve around people coming to power and trying to conquer other realms. It's a clear pattern that has worked very well. But it has always been the individual KOMBATANTS that truly wove the MK mythos for the fans. Storyline canon has been jumpy and retconned, but pieces of each kombatants history are at this point, irrefutable. It's those characters that REALLY make MK such a terrific story and it's the reason that I personally, love MK so much (I like to fighting too). But look at what MKA did. It took the story away from conquering, ignored all previous MK mythos that lead up to that point, and pulled a wackjob previously unknown combining element out of the blue to try and tie everything together, just because Boon got sick of it. And I think that SUCKS ASS. Characters and their stories were thrown COMPLETELY OUT THE WINDOW in MKA. They focused on this ONE new guy, Taven, and this TOTALLY OUT OF NOWHERE story about having to stop the destruction of the realms through some COMPLETELY UNKNOWN HOGWASH about there being too many fighters. Does that not scream COP OUT to you? I like the story of Konquest. I like the way Taven is fighting for the sake of the realms. I like how Shinnok is awesome and trying to use that to his advantage (I love Shinnok btw, you're new and obviously lacking brainpower so I thought I'd let you know). But what I DO NOT love is the way none of it fits in the MK universe.

Do you see what I'm trying to say? Because Boon decided he was sick of the current roster and wanted to chuck it, he came up with this crap-tastic pulled-out-of-his-ass storyline that tries to retconn everything together and ruins what was so great about the MK storyline in the first place. Because of that we're left with a bunch of endings that contribute NOTHING to the story and a CRAP-TON of unanswered questions that we'll probably never get answered. So really, we'll never know about the Kamidogu, or what happened after MKD, because Boon threw it all out. And I for one, think that was a real dick move on his part.
 
I MARRIED MORTAL KOMBAT said:
lol @ this faggot, you're stupid as hell, your brain could never calculate the shit i do.
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Nice to see that you choose to continue ignoring me. I won't warn you again, so cut that shit out NOW. The fact that you've been here no more than a couple of weeks and you already have numerous posts of this nature as your track-record thus far does not say much for your future here. If you actually want to stick around, this cannot continue. Period.

Glam-- just lay off and stop trying to egg him on.

Glamador said:
If you look at the timeline, and Shujinko's age at the time, Scorpion would have had to be a spectre already, not to mention be working for Damashi when we have never heard of Scorpion working for anybody but himself until his MKD ending. I maintain that Monster and Scorpion are NOT the same being.
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That's not exactly true. Scorpion's ending in UMK3 had him briefly allying with Kahn (whether any of that actually happened is pure speculation, but we heard it nonetheless) before turning against him, and I believe Quan Chi offered him life in exchange for his services in MK4. So it's not like he's never worked for anybody, it's just that he's always gone about it with ulterior motives in mind and never truly becomes a trustworthy ally with these people.

I'm a little shocked that even now you'd still claim Monster and Scorpion are different entities when everything points to them being one in the same. We learned in Armageddon's Konquest mode that Scorpion was indeed the Elder God's true champion and that he turned against them after feeling betrayed by them. So that being the case, unless you're claiming that Monster wasn't the real champion of the Elder Gods, which would make that story point in Deception a complete waste of time, they would have to be the same guy.

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But look at what MKA did. It took the story away from conquering, ignored all previous MK mythos that lead up to that point, and pulled a wackjob previously unknown combining element out of the blue to try and tie everything together, just because Boon got sick of it. And I think that SUCKS ASS. Characters and their stories were thrown COMPLETELY OUT THE WINDOW in MKA.
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I agree with that completely. All the events that took place in Deception and so many intriguing endings which would've been interesting to see the conclusion of and then they basically pretend none of it ever happened. I'm hoping more that in MK8 we'll find out that this whole Armageddon thing is the story that gets thrown out and the game ends up serving no more of a purpose to the timeline than Trilogy did.
 
I question Monster's identity simply because it doesn't seem like he could be dead already at the point where Shuninko fights him. If I recall correctly Shujinko was still young-ish when he fought Monster. How could Scorpion (a fairly young guy when he died) have been dead by that time? As for who Monster is, well, he maybe have been the true champion, or he could have been deluded. That doesn't mean he's Scorpion. Scorpion could have just been his replacement.
 
okay. what does all of those above mesages have to do with the alliged seventh kamidogu. and i hope you all are aware that when you beat the game with a character, the ending shows a "what if,and what would happen" type of ending, and not a real scene to take seriously. Look Lets some this up without any other side conversations please. shinnok's amulet is not a kamidogu and all this stuff about scorpion and "monster!!" and the whole begining of MK takes us away from the original point of the message. the point was a theory of a possible seventh kamidogu and it's intergral part in the MKA game. But "this" amulet was sought after by onaga does that make it a kamidogu or what forms the kamidogu together. whatever the case, going back to the 2D games isn't going to help you find out the truth or whatever it is you're trying to figure out up there.
 
Fair enough. I don't recall Shujinko's age at that time, but I can see why you'd think that now. I don't really think Shujinko's timeline is the most consistent thing to go by, though. I mean, unless I'm remembering things wrong, you meet all sorts of characters early on in Shujinko's journey that don't appear to have aged at all by the end of it like Kung Lao (which I don't think was intended to be the original Kung Lao), Ermac and so forth. When you think about it, his timeline is severely inconsistent in just about every way imaginable.

I dunno, it just seems like they had every intention of Monster being Scorpion. If that wasn't the intention, they could have very easily given him a mix of any existing fighting styles and special moves as oppose to Scorpion's exact movelist.

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and i hope you all are aware that when you beat the game with a character, the ending shows a "what if,and what would happen" type of ending, and not a real scene to take seriously.
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Yes, EVERYONE is aware of that.

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Look Lets some this up without any other side conversations please. shinnok's amulet is not a kamidogu and all this stuff about scorpion and "monster!!" and the whole begining of MK takes us away from the original point of the message.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple conversations going on in a thread, so long as they all somehow relate to the original topic or the content of the original post, or directly answer posts of that nature, which in this case, they do. I'm not sure what authority you think you have over this exactly, but no one's keeping you from discussing the seventh Kamidogu.
 
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You'll notice as well that my original post directly related to the amulet as a Kamidogu. It was Mr. MARRIED that thew it for a loop.

I see what you mean about Shuninko's age being wonky Deathcore...so I'm going to stick to what I've said in the past: MKD Konquest is largely non-canon and only a select few things in it can be coroborated, anything beyond that is unconfirmed and speculation.
 
you see. the problem with other conversation is that if you were listening i said it tends to lead us away from the original point theres not much wrong with it, it's just that people who no nothing about MK say things that redirects the conversation completely ("I thought damashi was the dragon king!"). so don't take it the wrong way, it's just im trying to figure out the truth like the rest of you. and stop quoting me. you're a forum bully, aren't you? and no i obviously don't have authority over anyone but my pet. so don't take things so literally. it's 2008 for goodness sakes. Directed to the deathcoreryknow guy.
 
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I dunno, it just seems like they had every intention of Monster being Scorpion. If that wasn't the intention, they could have very easily given him a mix of any existing fighting styles and special moves as oppose to Scorpion's exact movelist.
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exactly deathcore. monster's moves were that of scorpions because it gave brief indication that scorpion is the true elder god champion and not shujinko. as oppose to fighting the real scorpion why not bring in a second rate scorpion, opening up the small possiblity that the true "mKchampion!!" was none other than scorpion which is probably why no other moves from other existing characters where put in. we cool?
 
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You double post alot. I know you're posts are on different subjects, but how about using a separator or something in future, k?

Plus, Deathcore's not a bully, he's just a moderator trying to keep things in line with the influx of new members lately.
 
Glamador said:
Plus, Deathcore's not a bully, he's just a moderator trying to keep things in line with the influx of new members lately.
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Trying being the keyword there, yeah. I know it probably seems odd that after so little activity over the past while from the rest of the staff as well as myself that I'm suddenly getting involved in discussions and trying to do what I've mostly neglected to do in the past year, but what can I say? My interest has been rejuvenated.

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we cool?
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No. We're not.

I'm kidding. Like Glamador said, I'm trying to keep things in line here, and normally I would be making sure people don't go off-topic in a thread, but with so few discussions managing to flourish around here as of late anyway, it would seem a tad harsh to derail one just because it's not 100% pertinent to the original subject. As long as it doesn't turn into something counterproductive that has nothing to do with anything, I can't find much of a problem with it.
 
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