Mortal Kombat 11 General Discussion Media Thread

You know the funny thing? When I first heard in the leaks, that Frost was going to be a Cyborg, I wasn't actually mad. No. I was actually ok with that. Yes, I would have preferred a human Frost, but I also got to see in the leaks how Cyrax and Sektor looked like and they look dope af. Literally the best Cyborg look in all MK games. So I was thought. "Hey if that's how Cyrax and Sektor look like, then I am down for a Cyborg Frost."
I imagined that it will be like a more slender/agile version of those cyborg bodies. So literally to fix Frost, they would just need to give her a full Cyborg body. Easiest compromise. But that ain't gonna happen, cause NRS decisions are made by complete and utter morons.

Hm. A slender looking Sektor-like skin for Frost would be amazing, but I don't see it happening easily because it will probably conflict with her gear.

Tbh, I think what they did with Frost was great because she became unique, her own thing. Looking like a slender Sektor would make her have the same problem with her human form - looking like a Sub-Zero with breasts drawn by a fan-fiction writer.

Now she looks neither like Sub-Zero, nor Sektor. She is unique.
 
Am I not saying this right?

They could do whatever the hell stroke their fancy - heck, they COULD make Frost an elder god if they wanted to. But they DIDN'T. And since Frost wasn't made human in the story of MK11, there is no narrative reason to make her a human skin in the DLC that follow. Cyrax and Sektor were human at some point of MK9's story, so NRS *had* a narrative reason to give them a human skin with human properties.

What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't expect NRS to give us a human Frost skin when the story of MK11 never had a human Frost to begin with. It's not a question of what they *could* do in the story, it's a question of what they ended up *doing* in the story.

And why are you talking about the Deception timeline? Based on the scenes we saw in the trailer, Shang, Fujin and co are transported to the MK11 timeline. Baraka calls Sheeva his equal, which means it's post Kitana pwning Shao Kahn, and Shang facing Cetrion in his island with Jax is the part where young Jax and Jacqui went to the island to steal Kronika's crown and were intercepted by Cetrion. Where did you figure out they travel in an era Kronika was all but unheard of?

EDIT: Are you talking about the scene where Shang is fighting Cyborg mooks? That they may be ordered by a human Frost?

Gods. Dude you're talking about these narrative reasons. MK11 is written by a someone that writes Romance fan fics ffs. Have you seen his promotional tweets? "If you liked Kitana/Liu Kang and Jade/Kotal Kahn couples, then check out my other works!" He is literally using MK11 to promote his romance stories. Mortal Kombat is used to promote love and romance. Gods, the timeline we live in.

It has nothing to do with Narrative reasons. The actual reason why they won't put in a Human Frost in the game is cause they f#cked up.
They would have to redo 7 out of 8 intros/outros. Redo most of the brutalities and all of the fatalities. So in short they would have to make a new character slot just for Human version. It means extra work. NRS isn't known for effort. I mean shit. Jax arms contain flesh in brutalities/fatalities. Same with Frost. Yet Terminator has a unique damage model. Why? Cause Terminator is iconic and you can't half ass it, but everything else? Meh. Who cares. Let's just give them same damage models. And now they decided out of boredom to paint over Frost with human skin "You see guys? Here is a kinda human Frost for you!"

And once again. This is 2020. We should be having options in games, not compromise. But eh... whatever at this point. The fact that people try to use MK11 as a technological benchmark, already shows how low out standards have fallen, that at this point we consider a game built on inferior engine as a technological masterpiece. No wonder Japanese entertainment industry is destroying Western in quality.
 
Hm. A slender looking Sektor-like skin for Frost would be amazing, but I don't see it happening easily because it will probably conflict with her gear.

Tbh, I think what they did with Frost was great because she became unique, her own thing. Looking like a slender Sektor would make her have the same problem with her human form - looking like a Sub-Zero with breasts drawn by a fan-fiction writer.

Now she looks neither like Sub-Zero, nor Sektor. She is unique.

Yeah. She is an unique abomination design wise. Her personality is not even worth mentioning. She is actually worse than Deadly Alliance one. That one had a journey, even if small and had actual reasons, to do what she was doing. This one on other hand...

Not to mention. There is about 100 designs I can think off right of the bat, that could make her stand out, but just how they decided to hire Shawn Kittelsen for story writing, they also decided to give an ok to this nonsensical design. It all depends on a character artist. A good one could make two identical character models become completely different, by just drawing textures. A shit one, would need to create an abomination like this to make her "unique". Frost design is a colossal creative failure, as it manages to destroy even the lowest expectations. I have seen amateur artists draw better versions of her. Hell. The fact that I legit think that my current designs are superior to MK11 Frost just shows how low they dropped. Cause if my shit looks better than yours? You f$cked up really bad. Like REALLY bad.
 
I mean shit. Jax arms contain flesh in brutalities/fatalities. Same with Frost. Yet Terminator has a unique damage model. Why? Cause Terminator is iconic and you can't half ass it, but everything else? Meh. Who cares. Let's just give them same damage models

Wait....they actually gave Terminator a damage model that's consistent with his actual model?

Oh wow....

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This is actually looking awesome, shows they really spent a lot of time on this. Meanwhile...

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Really shows what their priorities are doesn't it :/
 
And why are you talking about the Deception timeline? Based on the scenes we saw in the trailer, Shang, Fujin and co are transported to the MK11 timeline. Baraka calls Sheeva his equal, which means it's post Kitana pwning Shao Kahn, and Shang facing Cetrion in his island with Jax is the part where young Jax and Jacqui went to the island to steal Kronika's crown and were intercepted by Cetrion. Where did you figure out they travel in an era Kronika was all but unheard of?

I mentioned the Deception timeline because I'm wondering if somehow the timelines intersect due to the Deception Sub-Zero costume.
Yeah, it's a pre-order skin, but what if that somehow also relates to the Aftermath story itself?
Shang Tsung also says to send him into the past, and even in the past of MK11 (prior to Liu Kang defeating Kronika) MK9 / MKX Sindel is still a revenant and there would be no reason to resurrect her.
Meaning that the Sindel being resurected could very well be from the original pre-MK9 timeline, or maybe after Shang Tsung gets the crown they go further back in time to resurrect the OG Sindel.
Either way, we're both making guesses off of an edited video and we don't know how they pieced it together.
 
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Wait....they actually gave Terminator a damage model that's consistent with his actual model?

Oh wow....

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This is actually looking awesome, shows they really spent a lot of time on this. Meanwhile...

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Really shows what their priorities are doesn't it :/

Well, yeah. Hollywood guest characters? Priority treatment! Original MK characters? Eh. Just use the same damage model.
 
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You've done it again, EddyB and Crew. You just had to inject more SJWism and retcon a character's story in the most stupid way possible. What a joke.... :rofl:
 
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Human Cyborg Frost with Human skin which isn't really Human but actually Cyborg.

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Gods. Frost looks exactly, like the first model I have rigged for animation. Those arms and legs... SETTING INDUSTRY STANDARDS BOYS. Can't hire a f%cking animator to save their lives. INNOVATION.
Dude, I could make a better Frost model with way better rigging in less than 3 weeks WHILE slamming my head against the f%cking keyboard. And shiieeeet how CHEAP the textures look like. Bahahaha. PRE-ORDER FOR 40 EUROS TO RECEIVE THESE AMAZING SKINS. Kiss my a$$ NRS, with your garbage models and shit tier lore writing. Couldn't hire a person who at least played the classic MK games. Nah. Instead. Muh Equality.

And to any of you geniuses who said that there is no SJW politics in the game. They literally just removed Queen Mai from the Lore, just to make Sheeva into some sort Feminism paragon. Yeah sure. No politics.

I am gonna say this about the game (now that I recently used it for analysis and got to play more). On technical level, it works. Now that they fixed major issues (right before Aftermath) I can say that controls are more responsive than MKX. I can see why people like the gameplay. But when it comes to the Lore, Art direction and Character design. This is the most BANKRUPT GAME IN MK HISTORY. From 6 realms (with 2 additional ones) we went down to 3 and the people that write these garbage fan fictions haven't played anything pre-MK9. So to be fair, if I were to judge the game by itself and ignore Dev behavior. I will give MK11 5/10 in it's current state. Good when it comes to stability and controls, complete and utter garbage then it comes to Creative design and Lore. And no. Not even Krypt is gonna get that point as it is a pretty looking lootbox simulator.
 
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You've done it again, EddyB and Crew. You just had to inject more SJWism and retcon a character's story in the most stupid way possible. What a joke.... :rofl:


"Equality" is a good term, but why is it always used to imply women are wronged?? Why not use "Equality" for a character like Johnny Cage, who doesn't get accepted as a competent man by Sonya and have him at one point say "No more, I am taking no more ballbusting! Equality!"
That would be something NRS could do. Or have equality used by Kotal in his relation with Jade, where she would also do household chores and wear apron in their house for the same amount. But no, they have to make the women of MK, and especially Jade, the Marie Curie of Outworld.

Jade always knows best! I wonder what she will discover next! What other inner-species relations Kotal with screw and the women will fix! It's like an episode of bad 90s sitcoms, in which it's always the hubby's fault and he is punished to sleep on the couch! Uncle Phil in Fresh Prince of Bel Air (God, I hated that bad writing).
 
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You've done it again, EddyB and Crew. You just had to inject more SJWism and retcon a character's story in the most stupid way possible. What a joke.... :rofl:

While I agree that it's very politically charged, this comes straight from the MKX comics.
In the comics after Kotal killed King Gorbak and Kintaro (and crippled Goro), the Shokan held a competition to see who would be their next ruler and Sheeva won.
Yeah, the Queen Mai thing sucks, though.
Again, yes, very politically charged, but this "Bio" isn't really anything new that wasn't in the MKX comics or in MK11's story mode.
It's just a simple copy-paste job.

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Human Cyborg Frost with Human skin which isn't really Human but actually Cyborg.

So, icicles instead of arm blades for the human skin?
Hmm...
The verdict is still undecided for me, given that they probably still kept the same robotic intros.
Still gonna wait and see.
 
While I agree that it's very politically charged, this comes straight from the MKX comics.
In the comics after Kotal killed King Gorbak and Kintaro (and crippled Goro), the Shokan held a competition to see who would be their next ruler and Sheeva won.
Yeah, the Queen Mai thing sucks, though.
Again, yes, very politically charged, but this "Bio" isn't really anything new that wasn't in the MKX comics or in MK11's story mode.
It's just a simple copy-paste job.

The comics said nothing about Sheeva being looked down by "males" though. 3 sentences in this bio are nothing more but a Tumblrite forcing political commentaries... That's 75% of the bio, which is getting boring at this point. Kittlesen is really pushing it with no end in sight.

I mean come on.... How hard can it be to just look up this stuff at this point?
 
"Equality" is a good term, but why is it always used to imply women are wronged?? Why not use "Equality" for a character like Johnny Cage, who doesn't get accepted as a competent man by Sonya and have him at one point say "No more, I am taking no more ballbusting! Equality!"
That would be something NRS could do. Or have equality used by Kotal in his relation with Jade, where she would also do household chores and wear apron in their house for the same amount. But no, they have to make the women of MK, and especially Jade, the Marie Curie of Outworld.

Jade always knows best! I wonder what she will discover next! What other inner-species relations Kotal with screw and the women will fix! It's like an episode of bad 90s sitcoms, in which it's always the hubby's fault and he is punished to sleep on the couch! Uncle Phil in Fresh Prince of Bel Air (God, I hated that bad writing).

This is what I don't get, what "Equality"? Shokans were basically ruling Outworld with Shao Kahn. They were his warriors elite. They were privileged. If anything, when Shao Kahn goes down, they'd instantly take his place since there would be absolutely no one to challenge their rule or strength.

But then again...This is what actually gets on my nerves with this game. Kitana comes in and just owns Shao Kahn without trying, which means Shokans are also a bunch of losers...Ikjladjfskaldj klsajdlska djalksjdkl................

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As for the man-bashing SJWism, it's a status quo at this point. So MK being all "hip" and "progressive" doesn't really surprise me. 90's has nothing on current_year! :rofl:
 
Wasn't this pretty much Sheeva's story in MK3 though?

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In Original Timeline. Sheeva was Sindel's bodyguard. Once she was defeated by Jade and Kitana, Sheeva returned to her people in shame. She never got to the high point, as she was busy fighting for Shokan survival with her brothers, when Shao Kahn betrayed Shokans, and later was killed by Shao Kahn himself, when she challenged him. (Then somehow appeared in Armageddon)
 
I get amused by how people get triggered that a female character was looked down by the male figure of the same species, specially in a militaristic environment. That's real life, this is character development based on...reality.

It's not saying Goro and Kintaro are bad, ugly and disgusting cause they are male it's just...that it happens. Could it be a different approach? Yeah, it could, but it's not like "OMG IT'S THERE, NEO CYBERPUNK COMMUNISTS ANTI MALE WANNA WARP REALITY BY BRINGING UNREAL "FACTS" AND PSEUDOSCIENCE TO NOT REVEAL THE BRIGHT LIGHTS THAT COVER THE EDGE OF THE FLAT EARTH!!!"

It's just another character development. Sindel's a queen (won't even mention the change), Kitana a princess of a realm and yet a foreign, Jade has some more content about her family, Skarlet an orphan, D'vorah's a weirdo, Cassie struggles to find her place, Jacqui has family issues, Cetrion is brainwashed, Kronika alienates her children and... Sheeva was underrated in a society where males are dominant.
 
That's real life, this is character development based on...reality.

Yes. A species with four arms, whose ancestry comes from Dragons and lives in a hostile environment with beasts, curses and a good of chance of death every day, will live according to our values and will have the same mindset and issues as us.

:) This is why Western comic industry is collapsing :)

One of the reasons why I prefer Eastern comics, is that not only they don't trick you into buying comics by giving nice cover art and shitty art inside, but writers actually use their imagination. If you write a story about an ALIEN WORLD with ALIEN SPECIES, then please ffs use some of that tiny imagination that you have and write about an ALIEN world.

This is why games like Mass Effect: Andromeda failed. You go to ENTIRELY NEW GALAXY, and find the EXACT SAME societies like on Earth.

Sure. Let's put our society in every single species. So why not just write that they all come from Earth? No matter where they live, no matter how alien or hostile the environment is or what kind of ancestry they have, all of them will have EXACT same issues as us Humans who have the LUXURY of doing shit like this. Not to mention, when females are capable of throwing 5 times their size opponents there. But sure. QUALITY WRITING here. Oh I meant to say. REALISTIC.

Also Mortal Kombat and realism :)

Also you conveniently ignored that they changed original lore and removed a character from it. :)
 
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Yes. A species with four arms, whose ancestry comes from Dragons and lives in a hostile environment with beasts, curses and a good of chance of death every day, will live according to our values and will have the same mindset and issues as us.

:) This is why Western comic industry is collapsing :)

One of the reasons why I prefer Eastern comics, is that not only they don't trick you into buying comics by giving nice cover art and shitty art inside, but writers actually use their imagination. If you write a story about an ALIEN WORLD with ALIEN SPECIES, then please ffs use some of that tiny imagination that you have and write about an ALIEN world.

This is why games like Mass Effect: Andromeda failed. You go to ENTIRELY NEW GALAXY, and find the EXACT SAME societies like on Earth.

Sure. Let's put our society in every single species. So why not just write that they all come from Earth? No matter where they live, no matter how alien or hostile the environment is or what kind of ancestry they have, all of them will have EXACT same issues as us Humans who have the LUXURY of doing shit like this. Not to mention, when females are capable of throwing 5 times their size opponents there. But sure. QUALITY WRITING here. Oh I meant to say. REALISTIC.

Also Mortal Kombat and realism :)

Also you conveniently ignored that they changed original lore and removed a character from it. :)

That's art my friend, imagination without real life is a lie. You don't believe Kim Jung Gi woke up one morning with 200 characters on four vanishing point perspective like in a miracle, right?

Can we try to create something extremely surrealistic and provide a good narrative? Yes, we do, hell, we do. Kafka did it, Shelley did it, Bosch did it, Orwell and countless other people. Yet the base is reality, even if you warp over and over again. But to say something is failing for mirroring society? You do realize almost every artwork from painting, literature, music, cinema, etc. survive sometimes centuries after its debut exactly because it inherited principles and similarities to real world? That you can experience in the XVI and in XXI exactly because of that? Not talking necessarily about REALISM, but verisimilitude and credibility based on the real world.

Creative work is much beyond western or eastern comics, there's a whole world beyond that, I'm talking about the creative process in general. Point is: it's just a character background, it mirrors reality because it searches for empathy from the player. I mean, why do I feel such empathy to an immortal demigod who shoots lightning, is it the hat? Or maybe it's something else?

The truth is, some circles of society get triggered by certain backgrounds. Sometimes they can endure a bad decision or a very unnecessary appeal, but they can't stand 5 minutes of a certain background because of political frustration. Sure, there's bad examples of any type, but we are really turning all this nitpicking into real substance? That's so hollow and tiresome.

P.S.: I haven't conveniently changed anything, really don't have to bulldoze every atom to make a point. They changed the lore infinite times (kinda literally currently). It was just a comment exactly about every character has their background, we are humans, we create them, we print our interpretations on them naturally. Problem is when we think NASA is lying about the ISS because Kitana is wearing trousers.
 
That's art my friend, imagination without real life is a lie. You don't believe Kim Jung Gi woke up one morning with 200 characters on four vanishing point perspective like in a miracle, right?

Can we try to create something extremely surrealistic and provide a good narrative? Yes, we do, hell, we do. Kafka did it, Shelley did it, Bosch did it, Orwell and countless other people. Yet the base is reality, even if you warp over and over again. But to say something is failing for mirroring society? You do realize almost every artwork from painting, literature, music, cinema, etc. survive sometimes centuries after its debut exactly because it inherited principles and similarities to real world? That you can experience in the XVI and in XXI exactly because of that? Not talking necessarily about REALISM, but verisimilitude and credibility based on the real world.

Creative work is much beyond western or eastern comics, there's a whole world beyond that, I'm talking about the creative process in general. Point is: it's just a character background, it mirrors reality because it searches for empathy from the player. I mean, why do I feel such empathy to an immortal demigod who shoots lightning, is it the hat? Or maybe it's something else?

The truth is, some circles of society get triggered by certain backgrounds. Sometimes they can endure a bad decision or a very unnecessary appeal, but they can't stand 5 minutes of a certain background because of political frustration. Sure, there's bad examples of any type, but we are really turning all this nitpicking into real substance? That's so hollow and tiresome.

P.S.: I haven't conveniently changed anything, really don't have to bulldoze every atom to make a point. They changed the lore infinite times (kinda literally currently). It was just a comment exactly about every character has their background, we are humans, we create them, we print our interpretations on them naturally. Problem is when we think NASA is lying about the ISS because Kitana is wearing trousers.

You dropped some heavy philosophy and few artists name and yet not only missed the point completely, didn't contribute to the topic at hand, but you also went to another land entirely. We are talking Mortal Kombat here, sunshine. Kafka nor Bosh have anything to do with that. Not only they are artists who lived in an entirely different time and environment with different amount of information, but they also didn't deal with themes like that. But if you wanna go into philosophy about art. Ok. Let's do this.

1. My art teacher told me in High School. "The best part about Art? Is that you can throw shit at the wall and call that art, for art is always subjective. But the difference between good and bad art is, if that piece can make you feel something, ignite your imagination or make you experience things that you have never imagined before." Reading about alien worlds having exact same issues as our world, not only doesn't ignite imagination, but is literally the cheapest way to write anything. For you're not creating anything, but just copy paste same stuff to other places.
2. No. It doesn't go beyond Eastern/Western art. Don't even try. People enjoy reading about worlds and characters that exist in "WHAT IF" universe. One of the many reasons why people dislike current western comics, is that SJW writers force themselves and their values onto the characters that have different values. They began downgrading Heroes, so they would start acting like them. People don't read Hero comics for realism or down to the ground personality. A lot of people read about them, because those characters inspire people to be better. To seek further. If you just cram your "realism" everywhere, people lose interest. I don't wanna read how a superhero has a hard life, because social media dropped a few bad messages at them.
Eastern media, especially Japan is opposite. If they write about a society where females/males have similar strength, then they write how that world would work in that setting. They don't cram same shit over and over. They explore different ideas and worlds. That's why more and more people prefer to read Manga while western comic industry is literally collapsing right now (which was accelerated thanks to Coronavirus). It is a journey to different worlds. Different species have their own societies. Their own values and their own unique biology. In the meantime here is Mortal Kombat:
We went from 6 to 3 realms.
10.000 year old Kitana acts like she is 20.
Edenian society is the the same as human soecity. (Kitana's ending shows Edenia with European style buildings)
Shokan society is the same as human society, as they also deal with exact problems as we do. (based on very limited information in the new timeline)
Power levels all over the place.
Raiden went from God to Demi God (WTF).
Suddenly Titans came from somewhere.
Etc.

No wonder nobody gives two shits about MK Lore now. What is to care about? At this point everyone has the same values and same problems. Realms could be considered as neighboring countries now.
3. "You do realize almost every artwork from painting, literature, music, cinema, etc. survive sometimes centuries after its debut exactly because it inherited principles and similarities to real world?" I realize that those pieces survived, cause they were successfully preserved or avoided destruction at the hands of the people that would have loved to see them burn. Art is subjective. But this part is debatable, so I am going to leave it at that.
4. "It was just a comment exactly about every character has their background, we are humans, we create them, we print our interpretations on them naturally." That is excusable if world and the characters belong to the said writer. But if you put your hands on a world, that you haven't created and begin changing the core elements of it, to fit your vision? Either you're a shit writer or just an a$$hole.
5. Gods. How many times do we have to say this shit, until you finally gonna get it through your thick skulls. Nobody is losing shit about the fact that they changed outfits to Burkas. Entire shit storm started once the NRS DEVELOPER (Steve Beran) himself came to interview and gave the most idiotic reasoning for the change, which made people realize that the choice WAS NOT ARTISTIC, BUT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. So I have no idea what the flying f%ck your NASA/ISS conspiracy theory comparison has to do with this topic. You would think that people would start researching for once, before they write something.

At this point I realize, I will write a book here, if I delve any deeper into philosophy so going back to the lore issue. Your message not only missed the point, but didn't give a single justification for what is happening.

Lore (with few backstory changes that DIDN'T FLIP ENTIRE CHARACTER) stayed generally consistent from MK1 to Armageddon.
MK9 - MK11 on other hand. Skarlet alone is the prime example of idiotic writing. In MK9 she was introduced as blood construct and now she is orphan that was taken in by Shao Kahn in MK11. They flip entire character in the same trilogy. She literally went through 3 changes during this one trilogy, which is supposed to be one Journey.
Characters like Raiden or Jax have no character development. Raiden literally stayed the same for three games. He is a meme at this point. "I need to consult the Elder Gods." The moment he changes into Dark Raiden he is immediately erased and you get the same Raiden who needs to ask Elder Gods for permission to go to a toilet.
Now original Raiden was a journey. Hell, he inspired me as a kid, when I saw Deception Intro. That was writing.

And now talking about current nonsense.
So they erased a whole character (Queen Mai, mother of Prince Goro, wife of King Gorbak and the HEIR to the Throne of Kuatan), just to make Sheeva the FIRST QUEEN of Shokan. That is already a disrespect for the lore.
Secondly. We know that Shokans are a race that value honor and strength above all else. Failing a task or being defeated is considered a shame worth death. Among the Shokan, there is one law that surpasses above all others: survival of the fittest and most ruthless. In original timeline there was never a single mention about females being seen, as less than males. Sheeva was actually considered as one of the most savage Shokan, that even gained Shao Kahn's respect, hence why he appointed her as Sindel's personal bodyguard.
This male dominant bullshit only appeared now and that disrespects their original lore, as some feminist dipshit decided to put human politics into a race that values honor and strength, not what you have between your legs. But again, that's what you get for hiring someone that doesn't care about the world they are working on.

Having said that. At the end, I was just pointing out what kind of shit writers pull now. It was already made clear by NRS devs. If you are part of the original lore and don't like this butchery, then you're not a true fan. So I can only point and laugh, at how they are ruining the original world and downgrading it so people can just shut off their brain and scream "WAHMEN POWER".
 
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