Worldseries!

[cakes]

reptile3292, I challenge you! Not really, but I would be more than willing to engage in kombat of baseball discussion. The Red Sox will never beat the Yankeees when it counts. It's that simple.

If the Astros had Petitte and Miller, they could win. But the don't, so they won't.

It was an absolute travesty that the Giants (my team) choked away that Saturday game a couple weeks back, because everyone in California knew the Dodgers had maybe a 10% chance of even winning a game in the postseason with the pitching they had. At the end of the year, each of the 5 Giants starters were throwing unbelievably well and had shutout-type stuff every game. I truly believe if SF had gotten in the playoffs that they would've gotten to the Series. But they didn't, so you have to go with St. Louie.

 

[reptile3292]

reptile3292, I challenge you! Not really, but I would be more than willing to engage in kombat of baseball discussion. The Red Sox will never beat the Yankeees when it counts. It's that simple.

Well I can't argue there, since I agree completly.

If the Astros had Petitte and Miller, they could win. But the don't, so they won't.

Well they said the same thing about the Marlins.

"If they had Burnett and Lowell they'd win it all..."

and we know how that turned out.

Baseball is a team sport. You cannot rely on one person to win if for you.

Yes it does make it harder to lose Andy, but true champs don't need every piece to be put in place.

It was an absolute travesty that the Giants (my team) choked away that Saturday game a couple weeks back,

Get used to it. No matter how good the Giants are every year, they'll always be taken down by the Angels, Marlins, Dodgers, or whomever steps in their way. It was a dead end to St.Louis anyways.

because everyone in California knew the Dodgers had maybe a 10% chance of even winning a game in the postseason with the pitching they had.

Not just the pitching. The pitching isn't that great, they can only rely on two players. But their offense coudn't keep up with St.Louis, and their bullpen could never.

At the end of the year, each of the 5 Giants starters were throwing unbelievably well and had shutout-type stuff every game.

But the relievers weren't. It's a team sport, remember. The Giants DO have the worse bullpen in baseball besides Oakland and Colorado.

I truly believe if SF had gotten in the playoffs that they would've gotten to the Series.

I have to agree they had a chance, but more then Bonds would have had to step up and win it for the team.

But they didn't, so you have to go with St. Louie.

Last year you had to go with the 100 game winning Giants. Or the 101 game winning Braves. Or the Cubs, or the Yankees, but the team you never expect to win does. That's baseball, and that's why it's so great.

 

[undertaker3x7]

But the relievers weren't. It's a team sport, remember. The Giants DO have the worse bullpen in baseball besides Oakland and Colorado.

Not to mention Houston has a horrific bullpen with the exception of Brad Lidge

 

[reptile3292]

But the relievers weren't. It's a team sport, remember. The Giants DO have the worse bullpen in baseball besides Oakland and Colorado.

Not to mention Houston has a horrific bullpen with the exception of Brad Lidge

At the start of the year they were much better. As for it now, I would have yet atleast they have Oswalt and Clemens to back them up in clinching games. Sadly they've over used them both. They need to save Backe for later.

2-0, Monroe is looking pretty sharp.

 

[cakes]

reptile3292, I definitely have to dispute a couple of yer claims. The Giants' bullpen wasn't consistently bad--Herges lost 5 mph on his fastball before he got removed from closing and it basically ruined his year.

Wayne Franklin is possibly the worst left-handed pitcher I've ever seen. His ERA is not inflated. He just sucks. Same for Tyler Walker. Walker cannot get the ball down at the knees-he throws at the belt all the time and is very very average.

Jim Brower had a great year as you'll see in his ERA. Hermanson walking all those guys against LA was a factor of him pitching 6 straight days in playoff-type must-win games for the Giants...he was topping out at 90 whereas he is usally hovering at 93 with his fastball.

Take my word for it, I watched about 125 Giants games in full this year. And you mentioned "someone besides Bonds stepping up" well, look at the numbers and you'll see the Giants were outscored only by St. Louie and Colorado (which doesn't count, they and their ballpark are a joke), so obviously Bonds idn't drive in 900 runs by himself.

 

[reptile3292]

The Giants' bullpen wasn't consistently bad--

No bullpen is consistenly bad, but for the most part the bullpen had a fork in it's ass since day 1.

Herges lost 5 mph on his fastball before he got removed from closing and it basically ruined his year.

They replaced him with Dustin Hermonson, very very bad choice.

They traded their only have decent pitcher to the Phillies for more offense. Makes no sense.

Wayne Franklin is possibly the worst left-handed pitcher I've ever seen. His ERA is not inflated. He just sucks.

Well I saw that night he gave up 7 runs in the first inning, if I remember correctly I'm sure that was him.

Jim Brower had a great year as you'll see in his ERA. Hermanson walking all those guys against LA was a factor of him pitching 6 straight days in playoff-type must-win games for the Giants...he was topping out at 90 whereas he is usally hovering at 93 with his fastball.

There wasen't a single reliever on your team that didn't have an ERA under 4.00. That is horrific. No team can win the world series with that stat.

Take my word for it, I watched about 125 Giants games in full this year.

I don't need your word, I know just as much about the Giants as you. I don't know the players as much as you, but I do know their basic playing performance.

mentioned "someone besides Bonds stepping up" well, look at the numbers and you'll see the Giants were outscored only by St. Louie and Colorado (which doesn't count, they and their ballpark are a joke),

I meant in the pitching department.

I'm well aware of the herorics of Pedro Feliz.

so obviously Bonds idn't drive in 900 runs by himself.

But he can score 900 runs.

 

[cakes]

reptile3292, you are legitimately wrong. Brower's ERA was 3.29 for the year, seemingly working every single day. And please don't try to tell me you know as much about the Giants as I do...watching the highlights and listening to Peter Gammons doesn't make you knowledgable.

And you continually point to having Hermanson close as a horrible idea. This is where by not following the team on a consistent basis you would have no idea of how well he actually did in the job. He blew three saves--

1. Against Montreal when Jason Schmidt strained his groin and didn't come out until he finished his warmups for the 9th--and then Scott Eyre came in, and THEN Hermanson came in to clean up his mess and allowed the inherited runner to score and no more.
2. Against Houston with a 3-2 lead in the final game of the seires in September. Beltran with a solid single up the middle, and then Bagwell topped a slider on the outside corner for a swinging bunt that died 15 feet up the baseline magically, then Berkman hits a slider at his ankles for a homerun.
3. Against LA, when he clearly had nothing left after pitching everyday that week.

You clarified your "someone needed to step up" statement by saying that one of the Giants pitchers needed to step up. Eyre, Brower and Hermanson were all fantastic down the stretch, but you wouldn't know that because, like I said, you don't watch the games but you do watch the highlight shows.

 

[reptile3292]

seemingly working every single day.

Then why wasen't he out there closing out the dodgers to end the game?

And please don't try to tell me you know as much about the Giants as I do...watching the highlights and listening to Peter Gammons doesn't make you knowledgable.

I watched tons games on MLB TV and ESPN when they were one.

I might not know as much as about you (since I watched the Marlins all year) but I clearly know why they failed to reach the playoffs.

And you continually point to having Hermanson close as a horrible idea.

And I'm sticking to it. If he wasen't the closer, then the Dodgers would not have come back to win, and then the Giants would have have tied the divison and forced a 1 game play-off the next week.

not following the team on a consistent basis you would have no idea of how well he actually did in the job. He blew three saves

When did he start closing? towards the end of the year??

Benitez didn't blow more then three saves all season.

3. Against LA, when he clearly had nothing left after pitching everyday that week.

That's the closers job. He coudn't hold his team together. He blew the season for his team. If a person can't live up to his job then he should not fucking have it. Case closed.

You clarified your "someone needed to step up" statement by saying that one of the Giants pitchers needed to step up. Eyre, Brower and Hermanson were all fantastic down the stretch,

They didn't look so "fantasic" giving up 7 runs in the bottom of the 9th inning.

but you wouldn't know that because, like I said, you don't watch the games but you do watch the highlight shows.

I watch both. Even if I didn't watch the games, the Giants aren't worth more then the hightlight shows.

 

[cakes]

reptile3292, it is definitely frustrating talking to you, but oh well. I think that you have to look more at what causes the results then the results themselves, know what I mean?

I'm not dumb enough to think Dustin Hermanson is some bonafide stud closer. You simply cannot mention him and Benitez (from this year) in the same breath. You have to keep in mind when formulating yer opinion on the Giants (and their bullpen in particular) the situations they pitched in, whether they had had recnt days off, who they faced in specific innings, etc.

Concerning Brower, he had worked 8 days in a row (I'm not exaggerating) leading up to the "Tragic Saturday" and his elbow flared up before the game and would not have been available Sunday either. I can tell you that it's because the guy was just brutal on his arm this year--he threw 3 sliders for every fastball...it was hard to watch sometimes--but it was effective.

Only Hermanson is to blame for the Saturday meltdown game, not the entire bullpen. And like I said, a fan such as myself can remove himself from the nger and frustration and look at the facts from a fair point of view--I realize that he'd thrown 7 innings, roughly 95 pitches, all in "must-win" playoff-atmosphere games and simply had nothing left...it's what happened to Matt Herges.

 

[reptile3292]

reptile3292, it is definitely frustrating talking to you, but oh well.

Is it because I'm right? Only makes sense.

think that you have to look more at what causes the results then the results themselves, know what I mean?

Have I NOT been doing that when dissing the Giants bullpen?

I'm not dumb enough to think Dustin Hermanson is some bonafide stud closer. You simply cannot mention him and Benitez (from this year) in the same breath.

You can't mention him or ANY of the Marlins pitchers in the same breath.

You have to keep in mind when formulating yer opinion on the Giants (and their bullpen in particular) the situations they pitched in, whether they had had recnt days off, who they faced in specific innings, etc.

So that saturdaynight fuckup was a result of all these pitchers being over worked?

Take a look at giants.mlb.com. Look at Avg leader, home run leader, rbi leader, era, strikesouts, wins, they're all TWO men. That's all the team was. TWO men.

Concerning Brower, he had worked 8 days in a row (I'm not exaggerating) leading up to the "Tragic Saturday"

There's bad managing skills. Alou can sure put a trophy on his shelf for that.

and his elbow flared up before the game and would not have been available Sunday either.

Yet Pitchers can pitch with their broken left hand (Kevin Brown)?

I can tell you that it's because the guy was just brutal on his arm this year--he threw 3 sliders for every fastball...it was hard to watch sometimes--but it was effective.

Boo-Hoo. That's what the guy is getting paid for.

Only Hermanson is to blame for the Saturday meltdown game, not the entire bullpen.

No. Because it wasen't Hermanson that gave up the Grand Slam.

And like I said, a fan such as myself can remove himself from the nger and frustration and look at the facts from a fair point of view--

Which I've supplied you with.

--------

Btw, what's your sex?

 

[cakes]

reptile3292, you finally made a dumb statement.

"The Giants pitchers cannot be mentioned in the same breath as ANY of the marlins pitchers"

Please don't tell me that Nate Bump and his 5.01 ERA (former Giants minor leaguer) is good. Or even bad. He's right up there with Wayne Franklin. Everyone with a pulse knows that Josh Beckett will never be a consistent starter and that his playoff performance last year was the biggest tease of all time--he CAN pitch like a master, but will never do that on a consistent basis. Josias Manzanillo's ERA was 6.12. Mota's ERA was 4.81 with Florida, blowing I believe 4 saves down the stretch. David Weathers? Even the AStros (and we all kow who they ave in their pen) didn't want him, although he did pitchw well in his start against the Cubs when the Fish were stiill contending. But in the end, c'mon man, don't be a homer.

 

[reptile3292]

reptile3292, you finally made a dumb statement.

So all this time you've said that I'm frustrating to talk to, is it because I've been right? It appears so.

Please don't tell me that Nate Bump and his 5.01 ERA (former Giants minor leaguer)

It figures that he comes from a Giants farm.

He's right up there with Wayne Franklin.

Ok, so they're both even who else?

Everyone with a pulse knows that Josh Beckett will never be a consistent starter and that his playoff performance last year was the biggest tease of all time--he CAN pitch like a master, but will never do that on a consistent basis.

You know nothing about young pitchers.

He's still learning, he's not even close to his prime. Nice try.

And no, not "everyone" knows. Last time I check ESPN considered him the next Nolan Ryan.

Josias Manzanillo's ERA was 6.12

He was with the club a limited time. Plus look at his saves.

Mota's ERA was 4.81 with Florida, blowing I believe 4 saves down the stretch.

Why don't you write all the games he DID do good for Florida? More good then bad.

David Weathers? Even the AStros (and we all kow who they ave in their pen) didn't want him, although he did pitchw well in his start against the Cubs when the Fish were stiill contending. But in the end, c'mon man, don't be a homer.

Funny that you point your finger at Weathers. He had an ERA better then 3/4 the Giants bullpen.

Why don't you mention Carl Pavano, AJ, and Willis?

I'm afraid the Marlins pitching is too good for any other club in the NL.

 

[narda12]

Reptile, do you realize you are being a massive hypocrite? Whenever cakes supplies a reason as to one of his Giants failures other than pure facts, you simply recall the facts and dismiss the probability of any outside factors. However, when Cakes points out the facts about the Marlins bullpen, you are full of excuses. "Oh he is young, he needs time to develop", or "oh, he hasn't been with the program that long." Just a question, but, do you realize that your evasions are just as legit as his? Perhaps the reason you're frustrating to talk to isn't because you're right, but rather because you will not admit when you're even partially in the wrong. There are plenty of reasons for players inadequate performances. Rather it be injuries, age, or because of their unfamiliarity with the program, they are all admissible excuses. Just from an outsiders perspective, it seems both of you are avid supporters of your respected teams. I, obviously, don't know half as muhc as either of you about your teams, but neither of you will gain any ground in an argument/discussion if neither of you are willing to concede to any of the others opinions.

On a sidenote, I am very biased as to who I think will win the World Series seeing as how I am from Texas. Am I stupid for my opinion? No, I am just biased. I realize the possibility of the Astro's winning the World Series is slim, but just as Reptile stated, it's a game of magic, not pure statistics. Anyway, flame away.

 

[reptile3292]

Whenever cakes supplies a reason as to one of his Giants failures other than pure facts, you simply recall the facts and dismiss the probability of any outside factors.

Because the factors he supplies are simple bullshit excuses.

However, when Cakes points out the facts about the Marlins bullpen, you are full of excuses.

My excuses are correct. The Marlins bullpen has injurys and inexperianced young pitchers. How are those facts not good excuses?

Just a question, but, do you realize that your evasions are just as legit as his?

Then why are you arguing mine and not his? It seems you noobs like to stick together. That's fine.

the reason you're frustrating to talk to isn't because you're right, but rather because you will not admit when you're even partially in the wrong.

Maybe if you could read half f-u-c-king right, you would have seen that I agreed with him in many ways. Moron.

I, obviously, don't know half as muhc as either of you about your teams,

Then shut the fuck up, pick up your dress and get the fuck out.

but neither of you will gain any ground in an argument/discussion if neither of you are willing to concede to any of the others opinions.

Once again, you can't read. It's funny how you make up facts to get a point across.

On a sidenote, I am very biased as to who I think will win the World Series seeing as how I am from Texas. Am I stupid for my opinion? No,

No, but you're stupid for other reasons.

 

[narda12]

My point has already been proven through your display of stupidity. I didn't say you wouldn't agree with him. I said, that when he proves you wrong, you will not admit it and instead defend your truth with some sort of nonsense. You, sir, need to learn to read. Agreeing and realizing when you are wrong are two completely different things. Besides, you've already shown your insecurity in your argument because of your petty insults.

Btw, Why should I argue his? He isn't the one being a hypocrite. You claim your "facts" are good excuses? Well his facts are just as true as yours, so how are yours any more legit than his?

 

[reptile3292]

My point has already been proven through your display of stupidity.

Oh good one there. :roll:

I didn't say you wouldn't agree with him. I said, that when he proves you wrong, you will not admit it and instead defend your truth with some sort of nonsense. You, sir, need to learn to read.

So when he is wrong and I'm right, you don't seem to tell him what to do.

It's funny that the little bitch coudn't take care of buisness, so he had to call a friend to help him out. Good idea, bad choice in person to bring.

You don't know your foot from your ass, let alone baseball.

Agreeing and realizing when you are wrong are two completely different things.

I said I realized I was wrong on one part, and agreed with him. Wow, you need a refresh.

Besides, you've already shown your insecurity in your argument because of your petty insults.

And you've already showed your's by not supplying anymore baseball facts, and by complaining about my "pretty" insults. Retard.

Btw, Why should I argue his? He isn't the one being a hypocrite. You claim your "facts" are good excuses? Well his facts are just as true as yours,

Well you just fucked yourself up there pinky.

so how are yours any more legit than his?

So how are his any more legit then mine? Dumbass.

 

[BloodLust]

My point has already been proven through your display of stupidity.

No, dick cream. The only one who's stupidity showing here is yours. You obvioulsy must be stupid to think that, of all people, you could go up against Reptile329. Hell, the guy even owns me. What makes you think you're any better?

I didn't say you wouldn't agree with him. I said, that when he proves you wrong, you will not admit it and instead defend your truth with some sort of nonsense.

I smell bullshit...

Look, Inspector Gadget. Before you go into random babble about things you don't even begin to comprehend, let me point you in the right direction.

Don't begin to act like Reptile329 doesn't know what he's talking about. Because in most cases; He's right, you're wrong. So if, of all people, a newbie can come in and prove him wrong, then the world will come to an end. Cause? The smell of bullshit would have killed us all.

You, sir, need to learn to read.

I believe he can, seeing as how he's replied to moronic statements such as this one.

Agreeing and realizing when you are wrong are two completely different things.

No shit, Holmes. Would you like a purple teddy bear for your efforts?

Besides, you've already shown your insecurity in your argument because of your petty insults.

You need to run to your "come back" generator and see how much more shit it can spew. Because it's random, incoherent babble obviously isn't helping you here.

Btw, Why should I argue his? He isn't the one being a hypocrite. You claim your "facts" are good excuses? Well his facts are just as true as yours, so how are yours any more legit than his?

How are his any more legit? Lets see.

Stiletto has about... what? 2 years in the mk kommunity? As to where cup cakes over here is practically brand new.

Who would you find more legit? A vet, or a newbie?

Thought so...

 

[cakes]

wow! Things have certainly heated up here. Narda, thanks for coming to my defense, and contrary to Reptile3292 and whoever it is that was backing him up, I have no idea who narda12 is, so I didn't "call a friend".

Anyways, I want to say to reptile3292 that I'm sorry for calling his statement from a previous post "dumb." I didn't intend for this debate to become personal, and what I said seemed to set the stage for some vicious insults. All the name-calling and whatnot is really unfortunate and doesn't reflect the tone of my comments or my feelings.

So anyways...reptile3292, I'm kind of losing respect for your opinions based on the fact that your defense of the Florida pitchers almost completely parallels mine of the Giants pitchers; our observations go beyond the numbers. But strangely you seem comfortable blasting my analysis yet then say things very similar in nature when defending Florida's staff.

For instance, you said that Josh Beckett is "still young and learning" and that I "know nothing of young pitchers" and that "ESPN called him the next Nolan Ryan."

All I can say is that Beckett in 3 years has never won 10 games and never been healthy for a full year. He was healthy for the last 3 months of last year and pitched like the Cy Young everyone knows he has the potential to be. Problem is, he'll have to battle the finger blister for probably the rest of his career, and I believe he has also battled back problems, a red flag if you ask me. It's sure hard to "keep learning" when you live on the DL.-----And believe me, I know plenty about young pitchers, because in the last 10 years and especially this year I've watched Russ Ortiz, Shawn Estes, Felix Rodriguez, Keith Foulke, Livan Hernandez, Jesse Foppert, Jerome Williams, Noah Lowry, Brad Hennessey and other rookie-to 3 years of service guys pitch for my squad. I've seen more than my fair share.------you cited ESPN calling Beckett the next Nolan Ryan. ESPN also said that Kerry Wood would win the Cy Young this year, and anyone with a 2nd grade education could've told us that that wouldn't and never will happen.

I revise my dig at Josias Manzanillo...I thought he was a young Marlins guy but he's just a journeyman crap pitcher who was decent in April and May but worthless afterwards for the Fish. He closed out a Giants game in April I believe. You said to "look at his saves," even though he only had 1. But I do know that he was doing well for the Fish at one point. But remember that grand slam to Terrmel Sledge? Yikes!

For Guillermo Mota, you replied "Why don't you write about all the GOOD games he pitched for Florida?"-------All I can say to that is when I used that same defense for Dustin Hermanson, you cast that aside in favor of blindly saying that Hermanson just plain sucks.

Like you asked, I will mention Pavano, AJ Burnett, and Dontrelle. Pavano should finish 3rd for the Cy Young behind Randy and Clemens, if you ask me, with Schmidt 4th. He's a special pitcher.
----AJ Burnett is a free agent in 2 years. What is his legacy? Sadly he's never been healthy for more than one year. What good does he do the team on the DL? His career path is eerily similar to Beckett's.
----I think the Marlins should put Willis in the closer role. He only throws two pitches, and like Byung-Hyung Kim, the more times through the order the more likely he is to get hit due to the lessening effect of the funky delivery. This year, I think the league adjusted to him and the ERA after April reflects that.

Finally, you said "I'm afraid the Marlins pitching is too good for any other club in the NL."--------Well I'm afraid yer being too much of a homer. Potential doesn't equal status. Until that staff PITCHES like they have the potential to, they are just mediocre. To say that their pitching is "too good for the NL" is comical and horribly inaccurate.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Back to actual current happenings in baseball...

Two Words: Hideki Matsui.

Like I said before. This guy is in another world. He continues to hit the ball, and hit it hard. Always makes contact with the ball, RARELY has an infield hit, as well as rarely gets a "K". Seems to always perform in the "clutch" with runners on. Oh ... and he hits homeruns.

I liked the guy last year and I'm glad to see his doubled his performance this year. I see him only getting better. Nothing to dislike. Solid, fundamental player who always comes through.

And so much for the Bo-SoX.

 

[reptile3292]

wow! Things have certainly heated up here. Narda, thanks for coming to my defense,

Well you newbies love to lick each others asses, I wasen't suprised.

and contrary to Reptile3292 and whoever it is that was backing him up,

Of course you don't know who was backing me up, someone just pulled your head out of someones ass and told you to post on an MK Message board about when, last week? Fuckin' n00b.

I have no idea who narda12 is, so I didn't "call a friend".

Anyways, I want to say to reptile3292 that I'm sorry for calling his statement from a previous post "dumb." I didn't intend for this debate to become personal, and what I said seemed to set the stage for some vicious insults.

I hope I didn't make you cry. Please, take your little 10 year old fingers, and unplug the computer. Then choke yourself with the wire, thanks.

All the name-calling and whatnot is really unfortunate and doesn't reflect the tone of my comments or my feelings.

What's unfortunate is you trying to compete with me. Thanks.

So anyways...reptile3292, I'm kind of losing respect for your opinions based on the fact that your defense of the Florida pitchers almost completely parallels mine of the Giants pitchers; our observations go beyond the numbers. But strangely you seem comfortable blasting my analysis yet then say things very similar in nature when defending Florida's staff.

Ok, why don't I make it easyier. Look at the teams ERA. Is there not anymore proof which team has the better pitching? Look at Benitez's saves. The most in the NL. Dumbass.

For instance, you said that Josh Beckett is "still young and learning" and that I "know nothing of young pitchers" and that "ESPN called him the next Nolan Ryan."

Wow! I did say that. DUUURR. Retard. :?

All I can say is that Beckett in 3 years has never won 10 games and never been healthy for a full year.

Are you trying to give me more reasons to defend his poor pitching performence? You just love walking in your own shit.

He was healthy for the last 3 months of last year and pitched like the Cy Young everyone knows he has the potential to be. Problem is, he'll have to battle the finger blister for probably the rest of his career,

If he didn't have to the last three months, (which btw he pitched like shit so nice fat there) then what makes you think he'll have the problems the rest of his career?

you cited ESPN calling Beckett the next Nolan Ryan. ESPN also said that Kerry Wood would win the Cy Young this year, and anyone with a 2nd grade education could've told us that that wouldn't and never will happen.

I wasen't stating that they're right, I was supplying someone who disagreed with you.

...I thought he was a young Marlins guy but he's just a journeyman crap pitcher who was decent in April and May but worthless afterwards for the Fish.

He came in June and July. :roll:

He closed out a Giants game in April I believe. You said to "look at his saves," even though he only had 1. But I do know that he was doing well for the Fish at one point. But remember that grand slam to Terrmel Sledge? Yikes!

Do you remember the grand slam to Steve Finley? Yikes!

For Guillermo Mota, you replied "Why don't you write about all the GOOD games he pitched for Florida?"-------All I can say to that is when I used that same defense for Dustin Hermanson, you cast that aside in favor of blindly saying that Hermanson just plain sucks.

I'll going to be honest and say you got me there.

----I think the Marlins should put Willis in the closer role.

Right. A left-handed closer. Not a good idea.

Finally, you said "I'm afraid the Marlins pitching is too good for any other club in the NL."--------Well I'm afraid yer being too much of a homer.

What the hell is it supposed to mean to be a "homer" and what kind of dumbass would ever use such a word describing someone?

doesn't equal status. Until that staff PITCHES like they have the potential to, they are just mediocre. To say that their pitching is "too good for the NL" is comical and horribly inaccurate.

What's inaccurate is your views on the Marlins. You claim my views on the Giants are wrong because you watched every game this year. Yet you somehow think you know everything about the Marlins who I've watched the entire season. Get bent.