I agree with this.
Over-the-Top?
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I agree with this.
Ricochetmatt
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Dude, Mortal Kombat is incredibly over-the-top.
BBBLP
Robot Rock
Well the reason I don't want kids playing this game isn't because it's too violent or too "sexy", it's because of online. Some kids are good when it comes to online but a lot of them that I've seen are spammers and infinite-doers.
@My Knee Grows I actually can throw fireballs out of my hands, its a medical condition jerk. I haven't been able to spank my monkey for months. Jk lol
@My Knee Grows I actually can throw fireballs out of my hands, its a medical condition jerk. I haven't been able to spank my monkey for months. Jk lol
Jade
Well-known member
Maybe you think it isn't relevant because you're too dense to get it.
The rating is based ON OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF WHAT A KID SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T PLAY. They can slap a goddamn M on anything they want, that doesn't mean a kid shouldn't play it. The rating system was put there because of p*ssy parents who want to cry over every little thing. 'Maturity level' is subjective. Based on some of the posts you make here, it's safe to say that there are quite a few younger members more mature than you are. See how that works?
Telling someone what they should/shouldn't be able to play based on their age is just being an idiot. If they want to put a sticker on it that says 'blood/guts/gore', cool, but this 'you have to be *insert age* to play this game' is stupid. You don't have to be any certain age to play an MK game. If you are smart and mature and know it is just a game, your age shouldn't even matter. Parents just assume that a kid seeing fatalities = he'll go outside and mutilate his neighbour. Whatever your damn kid does after playing a violent game is something I would blame partially on the parent for not teaching him well and partially on the kid for being an idiot.
I am not disputing putting SOME KIND of label on it to indicate what the content is. That was never my issue at all. I was responding to your comment referring to OMG A CONCERNED MOTHER IS CRYING BECAUSE HER KID IS PLAYING MK THEY SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING THAT GAME AT ALL. The mother is just as stupid to think her kid can't play a violent game just because of his age.
BBBLP
Robot Rock
This thread reminds me of when I was younger and I had to bring a parent to buy M games, that pissed me off so much. I looked like a grown ass man when I was a teenager but they still carded me. I developed a trick where I would put the money over the rating so they wouldn't notice lol. They eventually caught on but it worked while it lasted.
raijin
BANALITY
the rating system was instituted BECAUSE of these "dumb" kids. that are actually probably just lonely, dejected, mentally unstable children that come from violent house holds or have extremely neglectful parents. whether they should be able to play the game or not is a moot point. the point is that the damage has already been done. so the bad apple has already spoiled the bunch so to speak. there is now a rating system in effect that I would suggest people heed lest all violent content, regardless how small, be removed or banned. to argue that point will get us no where the fact remains, there is a system now we either follow it or choose to ignore it. but know this, the continued rejection will most likely not be in our favor. the fact that they even placed a rating upon games should be enough to let you know these people aren't kidding around. regardless what we feel as gamers or what we believe about the adverse effects of simulated violent scenarios in a fantastical or fictional sense or setting. the fact of the matter remains, we either exclude kids from it or we face the consequences. we either we make these games exclusive to the older gamers or the government find some kind of loop hole and makes sure no one has them. the choice is ours.
I mean do kids really even need to be playing these games? they already have just about every other franchise out there. do they really need to add mortal kombat to that list? I personally don't think so. I always liked the fact that there were games for kids and games for adults it made me feel like we had something that was made for us. most kids are spoiled little punks nowadays any way. learn to tell them no. dose an 8yo kid really need to see some chick with her tits floppin around and her ass giggling out of a thong while she eviscerates her opponent or gyrates in a suggestive or seductive manner? further more would they even know what they were looking at and why? no. these things are made by and for people with sex drives. by adults for adults. in my opinion let the kids go play the kid games. there are enough of them out there. they can play SSBM or SMbs or sonic or spyro or sumthin.
I mean do kids really even need to be playing these games? they already have just about every other franchise out there. do they really need to add mortal kombat to that list? I personally don't think so. I always liked the fact that there were games for kids and games for adults it made me feel like we had something that was made for us. most kids are spoiled little punks nowadays any way. learn to tell them no. dose an 8yo kid really need to see some chick with her tits floppin around and her ass giggling out of a thong while she eviscerates her opponent or gyrates in a suggestive or seductive manner? further more would they even know what they were looking at and why? no. these things are made by and for people with sex drives. by adults for adults. in my opinion let the kids go play the kid games. there are enough of them out there. they can play SSBM or SMbs or sonic or spyro or sumthin.
rocky
BANALITY
well why would ed say its 'over the top, and its 'not to be taken serious' other than to justify the violent content in the game and to shake off the people out there who dont agree to violence on tv and in games - remember there are and always will be people out there and high authorities who turn their noses up at games like MK and grand theft auto, gods of war ect,
it goes a lot deeper than just slapping a 'M' rated sticker on it
kids are not supposed to play MK, but they will anyway like we all did, kids arnt supposed to smoke and drink and swear but they do it anyways and parents will never admitt its their fault for not bringing their kids up right and blame movies and video games, which is why game developers have to watch their backs constantly. so when people are contacting autorities and complaning about violent movies and games it does have to be taken seriously,
its easy to say 'well dont let your kids watch the movies or play the games' but thats easier said than done, you tell a kid not to do something and theyll want to do it even more
bottom line - if ed says 'the games just a bit of fun dont take it serious' chances are hes aiming that at the voilence hater authorities that take things like MK way too seriously
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THEundying27
BANALITY
wow! You think this video is bad. I bet some of the porn that you watch privately is worse!
K1LLKANO
New member
Wow, batting 0 for 2 with the useful posts, Undying. Please try to add some substance to the topic instead of trolling through the forums for your own amusement.
Personally, I don't think a grindhouse game would be a bad direction for MK. It combines sick & twisted humor with outrageous gore and violence, everything I'd love MK to be.
As far as doing the right thing, I'm sure NRS feels they're doing just that, even if it isn't what you or others are wanting the new MK to be. Bottom line is, the bottom line is the most important thing. While making a game for a major studio, the end result had best be sales and profit, or you'll never see the franchise again. And no matter how much hardcore fans think that they make up the majority of the community, the casual gamers are where the all might $s come from, so they have to find a happy medium that includes things to bring hardcore proponents of the game in (classic characters, fatalities, gameplay) as well as the majority of buyers, casual gamers (that want shiny graphics, characters from other games, and cheap, easy, repetitive motions so they can feel a sense of accomplishment). If one desires a pure game, made with the gamer in mind, Indie games are the route to go as the smaller production companies have their own agendas and generally want to produce quality over quantity.
For the rest of the discussion, and it's derailment into the positives and negatives of the ESRB's rating system... Rating systems are a good thing as guidance for mature parents to assist them in deciding if their child can handle playing the game. They do not say a person of a certain age cannot play the game, only that an adult must make the decision for them buy purchasing it. If the parents are too dense or just don't give enough of a shit about what their kids are doing, the parents are the one's that need to be held accountable, in juxtaposition with their offspring. When Big Brother and the ESRB decide that a person of a certain age can no longer actually play a game based on it's content, without letting the parent(s) make the choice, (after all, who's going to know a child better, a stranger or the person who rears them?) and seek legal recourse against those allowing underage individuals to physically play the game, that is when they will have gone too far and rebellion may commence. -Rightwinger, OUT!
Outworld Imp said:
Personally, I don't think a grindhouse game would be a bad direction for MK. It combines sick & twisted humor with outrageous gore and violence, everything I'd love MK to be.
As far as doing the right thing, I'm sure NRS feels they're doing just that, even if it isn't what you or others are wanting the new MK to be. Bottom line is, the bottom line is the most important thing. While making a game for a major studio, the end result had best be sales and profit, or you'll never see the franchise again. And no matter how much hardcore fans think that they make up the majority of the community, the casual gamers are where the all might $s come from, so they have to find a happy medium that includes things to bring hardcore proponents of the game in (classic characters, fatalities, gameplay) as well as the majority of buyers, casual gamers (that want shiny graphics, characters from other games, and cheap, easy, repetitive motions so they can feel a sense of accomplishment). If one desires a pure game, made with the gamer in mind, Indie games are the route to go as the smaller production companies have their own agendas and generally want to produce quality over quantity.
For the rest of the discussion, and it's derailment into the positives and negatives of the ESRB's rating system... Rating systems are a good thing as guidance for mature parents to assist them in deciding if their child can handle playing the game. They do not say a person of a certain age cannot play the game, only that an adult must make the decision for them buy purchasing it. If the parents are too dense or just don't give enough of a shit about what their kids are doing, the parents are the one's that need to be held accountable, in juxtaposition with their offspring. When Big Brother and the ESRB decide that a person of a certain age can no longer actually play a game based on it's content, without letting the parent(s) make the choice, (after all, who's going to know a child better, a stranger or the person who rears them?) and seek legal recourse against those allowing underage individuals to physically play the game, that is when they will have gone too far and rebellion may commence. -Rightwinger, OUT!
Someone who has had a point explained to them TWICE and still totally fails to get it, then insults that person saying THEY are too 'dense to get it' just looks like a ridiculous hypocrite.
I'm the one making the point. There is nothing for ME to get.
YOU are the one replying to me. You are the one who needs to reply to what I'm saying, not what you want me to be saying, not to what the voices in your head are saying and not what someone else once said ages ago.
You question other people's maturity when you are famous for throwing insults and tantrums at people like a kid? (Which you do repeatedly).
We are not having a debate about whether children should be allowed to play violent video games.
We are not having a debate on whether MK 2011 should have a mature label on it or not.
We are not having a debate on what you think a mature rating should be or how useful it is as a label.
We are not having a debate about what age children should start playing MK.
We are not having a debate on whether games should be age rated.
We are not having a debate on good parenting in respect to video game usage.
We are not, in any way, shape or form, asking for the opinions of XxJadexX in regards to any of the above issues.
We are talking about the criteria used by NRS when they make MK 2011.
They won't make it according to what some mother of a kid thinks as Rocket says. They will make it according to the criteria of a 'mature' game as laid down by the industry, regardless of what YOU think about mature ratings.
And if some parent complains about the content of MK 2011, the response of NRS will be - "It's a mature rated game - so it has in it all the stuff listed as being in mature games. If you don't want your kids to see the types of things listed as being in mature rated games, don't buy them mature rated games."
Whether YOU think that's a great or useful response or not, that's the criteria they will use in making the game and that's the response they will give.
The End.
Jade
Well-known member
*yawn*
I didn't fail to get anything. You spoke of warning labels and mentioned 'kids should not be playing this game'. I argued that point (to clarify, I KNOW THE INDUSTRY HAS A SET STANDARD BUT THE INITIAL ASSUMPTION THAT KIDS CAN'T PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE CONTENT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AS AN OPINION). I never said ANYTHING remotely related to labels not being necessary on a video game. I said it was a GOOD thing to have but the rating itself is based on other people's opinions. I never said they should take off any labels/not include it/whatever else you think I am saying about labels being on the game. My point is that there are p*ssy parents out there who are going to flip out over an MK game and assume their kid is going to run outside and take a life just because they played a rated M game.
This has absolutely nothing to do with OMG THEY SHOULD CHANGE THIS BECAUSE OF JADE'S OPINION. Thanks for thinking so? It's called a discussion and I am arguing the opinion that kids shouldn't play something just because there's blood and guts in it. Has nothing to do with any label being on or off a game. Has to do with the comment itself that 'kids shouldn't play this game'. Because kids are the only ones who will be dumb enough to repeat what they see, amirite?
Pretty straight foward.
Outworld Imp
New member
I've been playing MK since age 3 and I turned out fine.
Now could we please get back to the topic at hand? I know MK is "Over-theTop" but I'm talking about the seriousness of the game. Are we gonna get something as epic and serious as a high-quality film or novel, or are we gonna get some crazy shit that I could just play Street Fighter or Leisure Suit Larry for?
Now could we please get back to the topic at hand? I know MK is "Over-theTop" but I'm talking about the seriousness of the game. Are we gonna get something as epic and serious as a high-quality film or novel, or are we gonna get some crazy shit that I could just play Street Fighter or Leisure Suit Larry for?
Taj Gill
New member
I think its gonna be a high quality game thats gonna be received well by gamers and critics alike, if they really do remain true to the first three games. If they veer away from that concept, then itll just be an okay kind of game, just like the 3D titles before this one. Hopefully the console exclusive characters are the last of things to come that stray away from the reboot concept, if they include A LOT more things (not gameplay related) that are not reminiscent of the old MK's, i think thats gonna hurt the game.