Anyone Else Disappointed With the Story Mode?

[Imperatrix Sindel]

A revenant = a reanimated corpse / reanimated ghost. Essentially a zombie. Revenant =/= a resurrected individual. The only 2 who got resurrected out of all the revenants in MKX are Kuai and Hanzo, as per the comics and game. Maaaaaaaaaaaybe Jax, as well. The rest are dead / reanimated zombie corpses, and look exactly the same as they did in MK9.

That contradicts everyone in that room being cured the same if each one had a different type of cancer on an individual basis, though or if in MKX everyone had a different type of spell for each of them, no? Seems like an oxymoron (TO ME) that there are different spells for 3 different characters, but 1 spell from Raiden cures only those selected 3. It's a plot hole when there are supposedly different spells for each individual, and 1 spell from Raiden ONLY cures those 3, and it's also a plot hole when 1 of those characters that NRS needed to come back to life (Scorpion) was supposedly "in control of his own actions" in MK9, and in MKX he wasn't in control of his own actions until he got freed. The breaking of the spell on MKX Scorpion DOES imply Scorpion not being in control of his own self, regardless of what Vogel may have meant. The implication is there.

I mean, Raiden's a god. I'm willing to handwave that. How does lightning cure anybody anyhow?

Vogel here indicates that 'revenant' is the general word they're using for any undead in physical form -- https://twitter.com/K0MB4T/status/592777807320772608

I just see it as all of them were 'revenants', whether or not Quan Chi was controlling their brain. Raiden's energy combined with Quan Chi's hoodoo turned any revenants in the area back into regular people. It's contrived, definitely, but it feels logical.

 

[Commander]

I mean, Raiden's a god. I'm willing to handwave that. How does lightning cure anybody anyhow?

Vogel here indicates that 'revenant' is the general word they're using for any undead in physical form -- https://twitter.com/K0MB4T/status/592777807320772608

I just see it as all of them were 'revenants', whether or not Quan Chi was controlling their brain. Raiden's energy combined with Quan Chi's hoodoo turned any revenants in the area back into regular people. It's contrived, definitely, but it feels logical.

Sure, but by the same token (Raiden being a god), then it should also be a valid enough excuse for Raiden bringing any 1 of his chosen warriors back at any time (Liu Kang and Kung Lao), then.
By that logic, Raiden's powers should be > than Quan Chi's and he should be able to undo anything that Quan Chi does because Quan Chi isn't a god.

Huh?
So, then Scorpion and Sub-Zero = the same as Jax, Sindel, Nightwolf, Smoke, Kabal and Styker, even though the first 2 were resurrected and the rest were likely not?

To each his own, then.
It feels very contrived and illogical, to me.
Raiden can free those 3, regardless of which individual spells were put on them, but then he's also a god who can't undo Quan Chi's magic and bring back the rest? Ok.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

I agree with [MENTION=20359]Imperatrix Sindel[/MENTION] on the plane event, [MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION], I think Scorpion did all of that because he was a "volunteer", as the comic says.

For things like that he abandoned Quan Chi.

IMO, what can be ambiguous is the fact that the dark aura leaves him.

Ok, he didn't came back to his original skin color, showing that he was not a revenant like the others.

But what I considered ambiguous was Sonya saying he was under control.

Probably, that dark aura that left him was his undead status, reviving him, and Sonya has no clue that Hanzo was a volunteer, so she said that, and he wasn't in the right moment to correct her lol

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Gotta agree about Jin and Takaeda. Their jokes don't fit their background. A Shaolin talking like a spoiled swag kid is just sad and laughable. How old are Jin, Cassie, Takaeda and Jacquie btw? Have been wondering about this.

I'm assuming around 25 years of age considering Cassie wasn't born yet at during the first chapter which is 25 years before the first jump in time.

 

[Imperatrix Sindel]

Sure, but by the same token (Raiden being a god), then it should also be a valid enough excuse for Raiden bringing any 1 of his chosen warriors back at any time (Liu Kang and Kung Lao), then. By that logic, Raiden's powers should be > than Quan Chi's and he should be able to undo anything that Quan Chi does because Quan Chi isn't a god.

Huh? So, then Scorpion and Sub-Zero = the same as Jax, Sindel, Nightwolf, Smoke, Kabal and Styker, even though the first 2 were resurrected and the rest were likely not?

To each his own, then. It feels very contrived and illogical, to me. Raiden can free those 3, regardless of which individual spells were put on them, but then he's also a god who can't undo Quan Chi's magic and bring back the rest? Ok.

I'm not clear on what you're saying by 'resurrected', here -- do you mean that Scorpion and Sub-Zero got new bodies? Because regardless of how they might have appeared in MK9, it's clear everybody got a new body. That's what's happening to Johnny in the Story Mode, after all -- a new revenant body to house his soul is growing in the blood pool or whatever. The process is disrupted by Raiden's shockwave. If this contradicts the comics (it might -- I haven't followed them closely) then the game takes precedence.

As for Raiden and his powers, he was completely surprised when that happened. And it clearly does require him and Quan Chi to be in the same room for their powers to combine. It's not about 'breaking a spell', it's about overloading Quan Chi's magic: https://twitter.com/K0MB4T/status/592868179715739648

It probably only worked because they were in Quan Chi's laboratory to begin with.

 

[Commander]

I'm not clear on what you're saying by 'resurrected', here -- do you mean that Scorpion and Sub-Zero got new bodies? Because regardless of how they might have appeared in MK9, it's clear everybody got a new body. That's what's happening to Johnny in the Story Mode, after all -- a new revenant body to house his soul is growing in the blood pool or whatever. The process is disrupted by Raiden's shockwave. If this contradicts the comics (it might -- I haven't followed them closely) then the game takes precedence.

As for Raiden and his powers, he was completely surprised when that happened. And it clearly does require him and Quan Chi to be in the same room for their powers to combine. It's not about 'breaking a spell', it's about overloading Quan Chi's magic: https://twitter.com/K0MB4T/status/592868179715739648

It probably only worked because they were in Quan Chi's laboratory to begin with.

Yes.
Sub-Zero and Scorpion got new bodies.
Not so.
Sindel, Nightwolf, Smoke, Kabal and Styker all look the same as their MK9 counterparts.
It's very apparent that they didn't get new bodies.

Raiden was surprised that he could heal someone?
He healed Jax in MK9, after Sonya broke him out of Shang Tsung's prison?
So, Raiden (a god) couldn't have also over-loaded Quan Chi's magic and undone the rest?

It just seems ridiculous (IMO) that Raiden is a god, yet NRS comes up with a contrived notion of "the dead can't be brought back, unless Quan Chi is alive," bullshit excuse.
As much as I would have wanted the dead to stay dead, the rest of the dead coming back after Quan Chi (the original source of the magic) is dead would have made the most sense.

To me, whether I wanted it or not, this would have made the most sense:
- Quan Chi is killed by Scorpion, setting the other revenants free.
- Shinnok then gets freed and goes about his plans as happened in the end, poisoning the Jensei and holding Raiden captive, but instead putting a protective barrier just right after Cassie barely enters the chamber so that others can't get in.
- Shinnok is defeated.
- Raiden does his whole mid-credits end speech to the 1 person sitting on the NetherRealm throne, which is revealed to be Noob Saibot.
^^
All of that would have made more sense, to me.

 

[Imperatrix Sindel]

Yes.
Sub-Zero and Scorpion got new bodies.
Not so.
Sindel, Nightwolf, Smoke, Kabal and Styker all look the same as their MK9 counterparts.
It's very apparent that they didn't get new bodies.

How is that apparent? We see Johnny is about to get a new body to become a revenant. I see no reason to assume the others are all simply reanimated rather than the captured souls inhabiting new revenant bodies Quan Chi grew in his lab.

Raiden was surprised that he could heal someone?
He healed Jax in MK9, after Sonya broke him out of Shang Tsung's prison?

He was surprised he could turn revenants back into humans. It was a function of combining his magic with Quan Chi's.

So, Raiden (a god) couldn't have also over-loaded Quan Chi's magic and undone the rest?

Not unless they were there hanging out at the time.

It just seems ridiculous (IMO) that Raiden is a god, yet NRS comes up with a contrived notion of "the dead can't be brought back, unless Quan Chi is alive," bullshit excuse.

Well, they need some excuse. That's a contrivance, yes, I'll totally grant. I am sure it'll also prove to be not actually true, because this is Mortal Kombat and everybody comes back eventually.

No comment on the rest, haha -- personally I loved the after-credits scene and I'm fine with Noob Saibot sitting out for a good long while.

 

[Commander]

How is that apparent? We see Johnny is about to get a new body to become a revenant. I see no reason to assume the others are all simply reanimated rather than the captured souls inhabiting new revenant bodies Quan Chi grew in his lab.


Well, they need some excuse. That's a contrivance, yes, I'll totally grant. I am sure it'll also prove to be not actually true, because this is Mortal Kombat and everybody comes back eventually.

No comment on the rest, haha -- personally I loved the after-credits scene and I'm fine with Noob Saibot sitting out for a good long while.

It's apparent because of:
1) Scorpion mentioning in MK9 that the NetherRealm was where he was reborn.
2) Sub-Zero being shown given a new body in the comics.
None of the other revenants were mentioned being given new bodies, and for the most part they are wearing exactly what they wore in MK9, with slight modification or 2.
For the most part, the un-resurrected / zombie / revenants in MKX have the same MK9 outfits.
Sub-Zero has a new revenant costume in what he was resurrected as (helicopter scene), as was Scorpion (after being Hanzo, given that the Hazo costume is probably what he looked like when he was alive) as well as Noob Saibot getting a new costume and new powers.
I'm also pretty sure that Scorpion didn't have hell powers before he died, as Hanzo.
Sindel, Stryker, Nightwolf, Jax and Smoke all retained their original MK9 powers and weren't resurrected into new beings with new costumes.

Still a terrible excuse, imo.

I was just giving a hypothetical solution that would have made more sense, IMO, but I guess NRS needed MOAR BAD GUIZE in MK11, so keep the rest dead, even though it seems a bit odd.
I agree that Noob can sit out for a while, but I was just offering a way for the fans to go "Oh, so that's what happened to him."
Cyrax, Noob, Sheeva and Shang Tsung are in limbo, at the moment.
Many people are still unsure whether those 4 are truly dead or what ever happened to them after MK9.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Sindel and Nightwolf are obviously with new bodies. They died leaving no remains.

MKX was obvious on how revenants worked. They die and are reborn on that pit.

 

[Commander]

Sindel and Nightwolf are obviously with new bodies. They died leaving no remains.

They had the same bodies as when Raiden fought them in MK9, in the NetherRealm.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

They had the same bodies as when Raiden fought them in MK9, in the NetherRealm.

They had the same outfits.

Johnny Cage was reborn with the same look on the pit.

 

[Commander]

They had the same outfits.

Johnny Cage was reborn with the same look on the pit.

And the same exact body that they had in MK9.
Nothing is mentioned about those Sindel and Nightwolf being resurrected, just that they are revenants in MKX.
That's just you jumping to conclusions and assuming.
The only 2 that are 100% confirmed being resurrected are Scorpion and Sub-Zero, the rest is mere assumption.

Johnny wasn't finished when Raiden interrupted the process, so we don't know what the resurrected version of him would have looked like.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

And the same exact body that they had in MK9.
Nothing is mentioned about those 2 being resurrected, just that they are revenants in MKX.
That's just you assuming.
The only 2 that are 100% confirmed being resurrected are Scorpion and Sub-Zero, the rest is mere assumption.

Johnny wasn't finished when Raiden interrupted the process, so we don't know what the resurrected version of him would have looked like.

As you are assuming too.

But, between two assumptions, what's more logic?

Nightwolf and Sindel are turned into ashes, MKX shows that revenants are being formed while the person dies, with new bodies, Nightwolf and Sindel have revenant bodies using the same outfit.

How can they have the same bodies?

 

[Commander]

But, between two assumptions, what's more logic?

Nightwolf and Sindel are turned into ashes, MKX shows that revenants are being formed while the person dies, with new bodies, Nightwolf and Sindel have revenant bodies using the same outfit.

How can they have the same bodies?

Either 1 is possible, but you cannot 100% say that 1 or the other is 100% confirmed.

While they die, yes, but Johnny Cage's body was being transferred from his current dying body to a new body.
If there is no body or organs for Quan Chi to use (as was the case with Sub-Zero - Bi-Han), then how do you propose that Quan Chi brought them back exactly the same?

The same way that a dead cyborg / robot can have the same body in MK9 (Kuai-Liang) after being dead, even though robotic parts don't have souls.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Either 1 is possible, but you cannot 100% say that 1 or the other is 100% confirmed.

While they die, yes, but Johnny Cage's body was being transferred from his current dying body to a new body.
If there is no body or organs for Quan Chi to use (as was the case with Sub-Zero - Bi-Han), then how do you propose that Quan Chi brought them back exactly the same?

The same way that a dead cyborg / robot can have the same body in MK9 (Kuai-Liang) after being dead, even though robotic parts don't have souls.

That's exactly why I'm saying they were reborn on new bodies.

 

[Commander]

That's exactly why I'm saying they were reborn on new bodies.

Per Quan Chi MK9 history (Noob), though, new body = new powers and a new creation by Quan Chi.
None of which Nightwolf and Sindel are, since they retain the same look and same powers.
They are not new NetherRealm creations, as Sub-Zero and Scorpion are.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Per Quan Chi MK9 history (Noob), though, new body = new powers and a new creation by Quan Chi.
None of which Nightwolf and Sindel are, since they retain the same look and same powers.
They are not new NetherRealm creations, as Sub-Zero and Scorpion are.

We can't affirm they have the same powers.

Liu Kang casts a new power and Nightwolf has blood colored weapons.

There isn't a pattern just because Sindel and Jax, for exemple, have the same powers.

Besides the fact that Scorpion and Noob are unique, and the later's origin is still a mystery.

They changed their konception of how revenants would appear, that's why we saw Cyber Sub in the end of MK9 and then human, because only then they decided to make him human again.

We can't make a sentence like "By MK9, new body = new powers", MKX shows that revenants get new bodies, some have new powers, others doesn't.

 

[Commander]

We can't affirm they have the same powers.

Sindel seems to have the exact same powers that she had before, as per the PC hack.......

Imposter Shinnok was used in the hack, so she also has the Impostor Shinnok move steal.

We can't make a sentence like "By MK9, new body = new powers", MKX shows that revenants get new bodies, some have new powers, others doesn't.

We sure can when they have the exact same moves and costume as the MK9 version.

Resurrected Sub-Zero even has new Ice moves in this game, such as the ice hammer, ice shield and ice knives, which he didn't have before, so yes, he does have some new moves in MKX which he didn't have before

 

[p.W]

We can't affirm they have the same powers.

Liu Kang casts a new power and Nightwolf has blood colored weapons.

There isn't a pattern just because Sindel and Jax, for exemple, have the same powers.

Besides the fact that Scorpion and Noob are unique, and the later's origin is still a mystery.

They changed their konception of how revenants would appear, that's why we saw Cyber Sub in the end of MK9 and then human, because only then they decided to make him human again.

We can't make a sentence like "By MK9, new body = new powers", MKX shows that revenants get new bodies, some have new powers, others doesn't.

All of these things.

Noob Saibot is no longer the rule, he is now the clear and inexplicable outlier. I believe it is very safe to assume that every single Revenant we see in MKX has a brand new body courtesy of Quan Chi. It's true of Scorpion, it's true of Kuai Liang, it was about to be true of Johnny Cage, and it must be true of Sindel and Nightwolf because there's no other vessel to house their souls. Quan Chi couldn't have used their old bodies in MK9. Their old bodies don't exist.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Sindel seems to have the exact same powers that she had before, as per the PC hack.......

Imposter Shinnok was used in the hack, so she also has the Impostor Shinnok move steal.

You only quoted something that affirms your point.

I also said "Liu Kang casts a new power and Nightwolf has blood colored weapons."

Sindel has the same powers, but Liu Kang doesn't, just like Noob saibot.

As [MENTION=18661]p.W[/MENTION] said, there was no original body to house their souls, it's totally a new body for Sindel.