MK movie update/MK Legacy discussion

If you remember correctly Annihilation was more of a war flick and it was all over the place. I say stick with the tournament formula and expand upon it.

The first MK movie was much more of an adventure movie than a tournament movie. My issue is they have never actually done a tournament movie in the case of mk.

mk is a tournament that takes place to avert disaster stem the outbreak of war. personally i would like to see it as a tournament film that focuses on one on one battles opposed to fighting hordes of tarkatans or centaurs or whatever.

anyway, they're going this route I might watch it I might not. i hope its good.
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The war approach wasn't the problem with Annihilation though. It was rushing and not even trying to write a solid script and then add a director that plain old didnt know what he was doing.

There was even an interview where Robin Shou talked about how he was trying to get veteran Hong Kong talent to take over 2nd and help with fight choreography bit the director didnt want that. So it was just a cluster of didnt things that ruined that film. Nothing to do with adapting the MK3 invasion.
 
Sweetre15 said:
The war approach wasn't the problem with Annihilation though. It was rushing and not even trying to write a solid script and then add a director that plain old didnt know what he was doing.

There was even an interview where Robin Shou talked about how he was trying to get veteran Hong Kong talent to take over 2nd and help with fight choreography bit the director didnt want that. So it was just a cluster of didnt things that ruined that film. Nothing to do with adapting the MK3 invasion.
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well i just hope its descent be cause from this new description i'm highly skeptical it'll be good. anyway forget it. the movie that it should be will never get made and it wont be better for it. we will get yet another mediocre film adaption and people will watch it just because of the title and it will never get the treatment it deserves. first Ben Afleck as Batman, now this. sigh ......oh well I'm beginning to lose faith in WB
 
Kevin does have a point, tournament movies don't really work well now primarily because of the cliche premises which these type of movies are bound to follow. Both the DOA and Tekken movies are prime examples of this, none of these performed that significantly either. Timing was an essential factor for the first movie's success, it would have certainly bombed if something like that was released now.
 
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It becomes a war in MK3 when Outworld invades Earthrealm, but even then it's still a tournament.
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I never looked at MK3 era as a tournament. By then, it was pretty much an apocalypse-type war.
The only MK I ever saw that gave that Tournament feel was MK1 and maybe MK2.

But MK3 era felt like an Apocalyptic war of sorts.
 
MK3 was a full blown war on Earth and MK2 was a false tournament.

Regardless it's still a war between Earth and Outworld, the tournament is a facade considering all the genocide taking place in it.
 
Guys, really? The only way to defeat Shao Kahn and close the portals is through "mortal combat". It was still a tournament that was waged to save Earthrealm. Come on guys don't any of you pay attention to the stories. Yeah they are barely there but regardless they are canon.
Yes it had a "war" feel but it was still a tournament.

With due respect Tancheron directs dance movies. what does he really know about any other genre? yeah he made Legacy, but let's face it the only reason everyone likes it is because MK has never, I'll repeat that, Never gotten the treatment it deserves. Not because it is a stellar piece of work even the 1995 movie was pretty corny.

The Closest thing we've gotten to a faithful MK script and movie was Story mode in MK 2011.

I would much rather see another tournament movie "done right" rather than a halfassed "let me define my career" movie.

Seriously I've seen his works and while the performers were pretty amazing, the general direction was nothing special and certainly not on the level of hat he is claiming it will be. He should focus on making a great tournament movie the likes of which no one has seen before. Not some hackneyed "I'm tired of tournament movies" war flick.

He was hired because he was good at tournament and vs movies whether they were dance flicks or not.

I'm not happy. it sounds like it's gonna be yet another halfassed hollywood production. I pray to the elder gods i'm wrong. Please do it justice Please!!!
 
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Sweetre15 said:
MK3 was a full blown war on Earth and MK2 was a false tournament.

Regardless it's still a war between Earth and Outworld, the tournament is a facade considering all the genocide taking place in it.
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But it was a tournament none the less and the only way to save earthrealm. Mk is a tournament that is the approach they should take. It's not a war the only war is between Shao Kahn and the Elder gods. It's a dire situation in which Earthrealm would be lost if not for the "tournament"

All I'm saying is focus on what's important. ^^^ this thing!!
 
Flying Jinko said:
Kevin does have a point, tournament movies don't really work well now primarily because of the cliche premises which these type of movies are bound to follow. Both the DOA and Tekken movies are prime examples of this, none of these performed that significantly either. Timing was an essential factor for the first movie's success, it would have certainly bombed if something like that was released now.
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But they also suffered from terrible direction. Uwe Boll directed DOA and he's never made anything good!! Tekken was horrible and I don't even need to know that director's name it was just awful!

Timing has a lot to do with it but Direction, pacing, art direction, character building, plot, locale, budget, these are the key points that are always overlooked.

Cristana Lokken was a dead ringer for Bloodrayne but that movie failed because the direction was complete garbage. Street fighter, both of them suffered for the same reason.

It sounds to me like everyone is missing the point. It takes more than blood and choreography and green screen to make a good movie. It takes time and "effort" on all parts.
we are allowing ourselves to be spoon fed crap thats why we get crap. If you know the premise, know the materials, know what makes this series the smash hit that it is, then that's what you work with. Be genre defining, start a trend.

To me this sounds like it's gonna be as bad as all of the movies previously mentioned. fck it IM done.
 
Guys, really? The only way to defeat Shao Kahn and close the portals is through "mortal combat". It was still a tournament that was waged to save Earthrealm. Come on guys don't any of you pay attention to the stories. Yeah they are barely there but regardless they are canon.
Yes it had a "war" feel but it was still a tournament.
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In Mortal Kombat 2, it was NOT a sanctioned tournament, they were only told it was a tournament to get them in Kahn's proximity.

With due respect Tancheron directs dance movies. what does he really know about any other genre?
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Things he's acknowledged from the movies he has watched throughout his life....I mean seriously, you'e resorting to that Logical fallacy? Never mind that he's played the original MK trilogy

I would much rather see another tournament movie "done right" rather than a halfassed "let me define my career" movie
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Yet every director has done that with every adaptation to some extent

But it was a tournament none the less and the only way to save earthrealm. Mk is a tournament that is the approach they should take. It's not a war the only war is between Shao Kahn and the Elder gods. It's a dire situation in which Earthrealm would be lost if not for the "tournament"

All I'm saying is focus on what's important. ^^^ this thing!!
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MK3 really wasnt...even in the rebooted universe it isnt a tournament but you seem to be missing the fact that the director said the tournament IS the central focus of the film.



It sounds to me like everyone is missing the point. It takes more than blood and choreography and green screen to make a good movie. It takes time and "effort" on all parts.
we are allowing ourselves to be spoon fed crap thats why we get crap. If you know the premise, know the materials, know what makes this series the smash hit that it is, then that's what you work with. Be genre defining, start a trend.

To me this sounds like it's gonna be as bad as all of the movies previously mentioned. fck it IM done.
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WE know that...There is no need to get on a soapbox to make it sound like you're more profound than us.

1. KT says the film is STILL about the tournament and it's still a central focus.

2. He's just trying to avoid the "Meet t lead character, Train the lead character, and take him to the tournament" narrative structure, which there IS leeway in avoiding that with MK. You are purposefully over analyzing what he said and making a mountain out of a mole for the sake out of it. He basically gave his take on what the structure of the film and most likely atmosphere will be like...nothing else yet you're overanalyzing and exaggerating it to sound like he's changing everything.
 
Core premise of MK3:

Fed up with continuous losses in tournament battle, Shao Kahn, who had lost to Liu Kang in the Outworld tournament, enacts a 10,000 year-old plan. He would have his Shadow Priests, led by Shang Tsung, revive his former Queen Sindel, who unexpectedly died at a young age. However, she would not be revived in the Outworld. She would be resurrected in the Earthrealm. This would allow Shao Kahn to cross the boundary lines and reclaim his queen. When Sindel is reincarnated in Earthrealm, Shao Kahn reaches across the dimensions to reclaim her. As a consequence of his action, the Earthrealm becomes a part of the Outworld, instantly stripping billions of their souls. Only a few are spared, as Raiden protects their souls. He tells them that Shao Kahn must be stopped, but he cannot interfere; due to his status, he has no power in Outworld, and Earthrealm is partially merged with Outworld. Shao Kahn has unleashed extermination squads to roam throughout the Earthrealm and kill any survivors. Also, Raiden's protection only extends to the soul, not to the body, so his chosen warriors have to fight the extermination squads and repel Shao Kahn.
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Did you get this from wikipedia? you'd be better off going to youtube and watching the actual intros.

Look whether it's a real tournament or not is a moot point. They'll most likely focus on the first MK anyhow. MKII was a tournament none the less and I'm almost certain that MK3 was referred to as a tournament "in game", but I digress...

MK has always been about "one on one" battles, unless it was a tag battle, that is what it should focus on. Give us the characters we know and love in costumes that look awesome and do the characters justice, stay true to the source materials. Have titanic, epicly badass battles similar to the battles we saw in the CGI trailers leading up to the MK 2011 release. Not Breakdance routines.

Mk:Legacy shows us that yes you can remain some what faithful to the source materials and have an entertaining experience, but they need to go beyond that. Push the envelope. Give us the MK movie we deserve! Without us fans of MK wouldn't be where it is today! Give us a movie to be proud of as MK followers. Every other fan base has basically been crapped on with unfaithful interpretations and sub-par performances. No it doesn't have to be perfect but it should be a fan boys dream and a movie goers delight.

DREDD was awesome! It was directed awesomely simplisticly and faithfully. It failed not because it remained true to the source materials or because it wasn't entertaining. It failed because "people didn't know who he was"!!

People know MK, it's practically a household name. Mk should be a guilty pleasure movie it should be dark and violent and above all else ADULT (more emphasis on violence than sex)!! Most people's exposure to the most recent MK isn't through "story mode" or the web series. It's through seeing some one playing a match at home. Now take that impact and translate that to a Movie. That same "OH snap!" reaction that gives you that terribly gleeful little grin. THAT is what you want to translate. That same feeling of "this is cool!!"

Everything in MK: rebirth was to over acted, especially the fights and as a result it looked cheesy. "Kiss of the Dragon" had great fight scenes. "Ninja Assassin" did not.

"The Quest" the only good fights in this movie were the ones "Van Damme wasn't in". He's a horrible actor. "Bloodsport" wasn't even as good as "Enter the Dragon" and it was produced 15 years after! Van Damme films suck, sorry but they do and are a poor point of comparison.

The problem with tornament movies isn't the genre, it's the directors and actors. KT is passing the buck because he knows he doesn't have what it takes to elevate the genre beyond what it currently is. It's a damn shame the best tournament movie we have to date, as far as direction, atmosphere and choreography go, was produced in 1972! there haven't been any real contenders since then.


ya know, I'm not just a gamer I'm also an avid movie goer and watcher and critique. Good movies should be like good music, not "popular" music, but good music and there is a difference.
Good music should be soul stirring and thought provoking, it should transport you to a different place so that by the end of the journey you wish it didn't have to end . Or at the very least be thoroughly wowed by the onscreen spectacle you just observed and be left with the feeling of being amped because the visuals were so powerful (kinda like listening to a power riff) it should be so awesome that you feel your chest swell.

Unfortunately movies these days no longer retain those qualities and as a result we are left with a hollow meaningless waste of time that leaves you feeling disappointed and lied to. MK should be be thoughtfully prepped like a Porterhouse sauteed in red onion mushrooms and bel peppers with asparagus, mashed red potatoes and fresh corn on the cob with a smooth cold lager to wash it down.

Not a "McDouble" with cold fries syrupy soda, and a reheated hot apple pie.

My major gripe is that the vast majority will settle for less and as a result, the select few of us that value "quality over quantity" are doomed to to be fed the same tripe that the rest of the bozos will eat up like seagulls being fed chicken nuggets. they don't really care what it is they just run for it because they don't know any better and think they should!


As for right now we really don't know what it will end up. I would prefer a masterpiece to crapper piece. hopefully they do it justice not another dis-service.
 
Did you get this from wikipedia? you'd be better off going to youtube and watching the actual intros.
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http://youtu.be/1_465yz7PIA

Essentially saying the same thing....

MK has always been about "one on one" battles, unless it was a tag battle, that is what it should focus on. Give us the characters we know and love in costumes that look awesome and do the characters justice, stay true to the source materials. Have titanic, epicly badass battles similar to the battles we saw in the CGI trailers leading up to the MK 2011 release. Not Breakdance routines.
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Well NONE of KT's fights really looked like breakdance routines unless you're just completely exagerrating. The only one that came close was the Sub/Scorp fight solely because of the music that was playing.

Everything in MK: rebirth was to over acted, especially the fights and as a result it looked cheesy.
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I hate that short but I will NOT take anything away from that one fight scene because it was visceral and very Undisputed 3-ish. The only thing that looked out of place in that fight was the suplex because that should be saved for WWE matches. The rest of the fight was pretty damn solid.

Give us the MK movie we deserve! Without us fans of MK wouldn't be where it is today! Give us a movie to be proud of as MK followers. Every other fan base has basically been crapped on with unfaithful interpretations and sub-par performances. No it doesn't have to be perfect but it should be a fan boys dream and a movie goers delight.

DREDD was awesome! It was directed awesomely simplisticly and faithfully. It failed not because it remained true to the source materials or because it wasn't entertaining. It failed because "people didn't know who he was"!!

People know MK, it's practically a household name. Mk should be a guilty pleasure movie it should be dark and violent and above all else ADULT (more emphasis on violence than sex)!! Most people's exposure to the most recent MK isn't through "story mode" or the web series. It's through seeing some one playing a match at home. Now take that impact and translate that to a Movie. That same "OH snap!" reaction that gives you that terribly gleeful little grin. THAT is what you want to translate. That same feeling of "this is cool!!"
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I actually agree with most of what you're saying here because I'd love that kind of MK film myself.

"The Quest" the only good fights in this movie were the ones "Van Damme wasn't in". He's a horrible actor. "Bloodsport" wasn't even as good as "Enter the Dragon" and it was produced 15 years after! Van Damme films suck, sorry but they do and are a poor point of comparison.

The problem with tornament movies isn't the genre, it's the directors and actors. KT is passing the buck because he knows he doesn't have what it takes to elevate the genre beyond what it currently is. It's a damn shame the best tournament movie we have to date, as far as direction, atmosphere and choreography go, was produced in 1972! there haven't been any real contenders since then.
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KT's point wasnt that those movies "sucked". It was that most writers have made Tournament movies way too similar and he wants to change the formula for that. He's even went as far as saying the tournament is STILL the center of the film's focus but he's likely saying it'll feel more like a "war film" because he doesnt want the "Oh great, another tournament movie" stigma attached to it this soon.

The rest I'll just say I get where you're coming from on that....
 
1. I'll give you MK3. Maybe "I" should have researched it a little better. so I will issue that apology. ( mmmph chomp* chomp* crow tastes awful)


2. To me personally, they looked like dance routines. Not to say that I didn't like them, but they looked like dance routines in my opinion. i have a background in interpretive dance. So maybe it's the timing or flow of them.


3. They felt too much like "Unleashed" to me. I liked the movie (Unleashed) but didn't really care for the fight scenes.


4.I'm glad we have found common ground and can agree.


5. I understand that the tournament will still be the central focus and that he is modifying the formula to separate it from the usual tournament movie humdrum.
I just think that he has the opportunity to really define the genre with a franchise as great as MK and in doing so set the standard that all "fighting game movies" can follow going forward. One of quality, not just fluff. Don't get me wrong I actually like the way the web series has turned out, I think it's fantastic! I just want to make sure that the Big Screen adaption gets the time and care it needs to be spectacular.

To be perfectly honest I'm skeptical of almost everything that comes out of Hollywood these days. Its not typically the focal point that suffers with these adaptation films, it's all the scenes in between that are not thought through and tend to detract from the overall experience.

Man of Steel was a prime example. I love Superman! he's my favorite superhero (stop laughing). So when I heard that Zack Snyder was directing it I was (no pun intended) Suped!

He also promised a more "realistic" and "human" approach, which in some ways he did. Unfortunately, the areas that were lacking were the "human" elements, the very things that make Superman an ally and not an oppressor. The thing that makes Superman "human" is his upbringing. The values instilled in him by his human parents that make him value human life and the world he has come to call "home". Did we see that? NO! we got some weird, awkward moments in which no values were instilled. there was at no time a moment where we saw Pa Kent take his son to the side and show him the goodness of human beings. He was never shown that regardless of how weak humans are compared to irradiated kryptonians physically, that their "heart" and "courage" and capacity to love that which is not biologically theirs makes them "strong". Instead all he introduced him to was fear and doubt, and just when I think he's gonna show him something else and really establish an ever lasting impression in the mind and heart of his son, he walks into a GD tornado!!.....WHAT??!!!! I was left feeling like That's it? WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?? He should have had a talk with his son outlining why he saved the lady and risked his life and how Clarke didn't have those limitations and that he could potentially change the world one day. Nope. Tornado.

I have seen movies that for all intents and purposes should have been masterpieces and MoS looked like it was gonna be one of those movies. Nope. It was all green screen spectacle. Don't get me wrong The battles were awesome, Russel Crow was Great and Zod was a great villain. But it never touched upon the subjects it should have and in "my opinion" that was why it fell short of the mark. That's how a movie goes from being Great. to just Pretty Good. Well that and the fact that Diane Lane looked like she wanted to Jump Superman's bones the whole time. But I digress.

I want MK to Be Great! Not just ok or pretty good, but Great! I'm a fan and I'm passionate about those things that I see have potential to be incredible opposed to just being passable. I'm tired of Christian Bale gravel voices. I want to see some acting I want to see some effort. what the hell are these people making all that money for if they're just gonna halfass it?
 
All this elder god and star wars and portals and all that stuff is ok for the game, maybe semi ok for a webseries but if they bring all that stuff to a R rated adult fighting movie im sure is going to tank hard. its really hard for anyone to make a believable story in less than 2 hours and incorporate all the different settings and characters of mk in a way that will make sense without losing the average viewer. by the way that last trailer looks too good, i cannot wait.
 
All this elder god and star wars and portals and all that stuff is ok for the game, maybe semi ok for a webseries but if they bring all that stuff to a R rated adult fighting movie im sure is going to tank hard. its really hard for anyone to make a believable story in less than 2 hours and incorporate all the different settings and characters of mk in a way that will make sense without losing the average viewer. by the way that last trailer looks too good, i cannot wait
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Dude if it's a based on the first tournament which takes place on an island fortress and has a relatively slim roster then I doubt it would be that hard to flesh out.....You add the other elements in as the franchise goes on.

It's really not rocket science because it's not much to really "explain" if you arent trying to shoehorn EVERY games plot elements from the start Introduce it throughout the trilogy.
 
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