Self-Defense, Physical and Deadly Force

[Freyith]

The kid had his whole life ahead of him and it was taken away because of some old white guy with gun and an itchy trigger finger..

Incidentally (and in interest of keeping facts straight, I should point out), proving that the current generation isn't all that great over the last, Zimmerman isn't old. 28. Also, inconveniently enough, he isn't actually white either. Half or thereabouts, if you buy into the traditional US census definition.

[Switchblade922]

Incidentally (and in interest of keeping facts straight, I should point out), proving that the current generation isn't all that great over the last, Zimmerman isn't old. 28. Also, inconveniently enough, he isn't actually white either. Half or thereabouts, if you buy into the traditional US census definition.

It doesn't really make a bit difference what age or color his then. He still committed a horrid atrocity. Zimmerman could have been 21 and hispanic or 44 and Tatar. He still shot a minor for NO legitimate reason.

[Freyith]

It doesn't really make a bit difference what age or color his then. He still committed a horrid atrocity. Zimmerman could have been 21 and hispanic or 44 and Tatar. He still shot a minor for NO legitimate reason.

You missed the entire point of what I was saying. I was correcting that, in the interest of facts, Zimmerman wasn't an old white guy. That's not the same as saying what he did was ok or justified. I just find it (un)funny that people are quick to assume Martin was shot by an old crotchety relic from back in the day. The case is already messed up because of the race issue, but public perception seems to make people want to eliminate the chance the guy will get a fair trial (which would jeopardize any future ruling against this dangerous 'Stand Your Ground' law).

[Switchblade922]

You missed the entire point of what I was saying. I was correcting that, in the interest of facts, Zimmerman wasn't an old white guy. That's not the same as saying what he did was ok or justified. I just find it (un)funny that people are quick to assume Martin was shot by an old crotchety relic from back in the day. The case is already messed up because of the race issue, but public perception seems to make people want to eliminate the chance the guy will get a fair trial (which would jeopardize any future ruling against this dangerous 'Stand Your Ground' law).

All I'm trying to state in regards to what you said was that the facts are irrelevant. You and I both know the clear and obvious, the black and white, etc. Trust me, I didn't miss your point. I guess I just didn't spell it out good enough.

Whateva...



P.S.

Why is it when I agree with you on a matter or try to give strength to your argument and take your side on a matter, you turn around and punch me in the dick? Come on, man. I ain't trying to debunk you or anything or make an enemy out of you. If it comes off that way, I apologize for my inept use of symantics.

[Freyith]

Don't get so defensive. I was clarifying my point. If I wanted to 'punch you in the dick' as you so put it, trust me, you and everyone else would know it.

[Switchblade922]

Don't get so defensive. I was clarifying my point. If I wanted to 'punch you in the dick' as you so put it, trust me, you and everyone else would know it.

Heh. I suppose so. It just seems as if you have you claws out 100% of the time. No offense, but you seem kinda mean. lol

[Freyith]

I've never claimed to be nice! :D I'm as mean as a drugged-up bull, and even more ugly.

By the way, Geraldo Rivera is a dickbag. Not really relevant to the self-defense discussion, but tangental to the Martin case"
https://twitter.com/#!/GeraldoRivera

Trayvon killed by a jerk w a gun but black & Latino parents have to drill into kids heads: a hoodie is like a sign: shoot or stop & frisk me

His hoodie killed Trayvon Martin as surely as George Zimmerman.

Justice will come to Zimmerman the Fla shooter-but I'm trying to save lives like Trayvon's-Parents Alert: hoodies can get your kid killed

My own son just wrote to say he's ashamed of my position re hoodies-still I feel parents must do whatever they can to keep their kids safe

Its not blaming the victim Its common sense-look like a gangsta&some armed schmuck will take you at your word

Its sad that I have to be the one reminding minority parents of the risk that comes with being a kid of color in America--channel the rage

President Obama says if he had a son he would look like Trayvon- He could add, and he would never let his son walk around DC in a hoodie.

In the avalanche of criticism how interesting that most minority moms back me because they want their sons to live long and prosper

Critics of my hoodie comments think they're mad at me but they're really mad at the undeniably unfair reality of young male black/brown life

People still listen to this guy?

[Switchblade922]

I've never claimed to be nice! :D I'm as mean as a drugged-up bull, and even more ugly.

By the way, Geraldo Rivera is a dickbag. Not really relevant to the self-defense discussion, but tangental to the Martin case"
https://twitter.com/#!/GeraldoRivera



People still listen to this guy?

Good Lord. I sure hope not; but it appears our greatest fears are realized, Freyith. Brace yourself...

[FlawlessVictor]

When I was kid, there was a news report of a shopkeeper who chased down and shot a man who stole some beer. If an unarmed person is caught in the act of stealing, and the thief refuses to relinquish the goods, is it okay to escalate into using physical or even deadly force?

[Freyith]

When I was kid, there was a news report of a shopkeeper who chased down and shot a man who stole some beer. If an unarmed person is caught in the act of stealing, and the thief refuses to relinquish the goods, is it okay to escalate into using physical or even deadly force?

That's complicated, but generally speaking, the castle doctrine applies to your place of work/business. You can't use deadly force though unless there's a 'reasonable' belief that the thief might be about to inflict great bodily harm. That's how I understand it, but it varies state by state.

Disclaimer: I'm neither a lawyer nor did I graduate from law school.

[Switchblade922]

When I was kid, there was a news report of a shopkeeper who chased down and shot a man who stole some beer. If an unarmed person is caught in the act of stealing, and the thief refuses to relinquish the goods, is it okay to escalate into using physical or even deadly force?

In my opinion. It depends on what the thief is taking. However, using deadly force is unnecessary no matter what is being stolen(unless it's weapons that could be used against the pursuer). But honestly, using non-lethal weaponry to prevent loss of property is just fine in my book. That way, someone didn't lose their life for something that isn't REALLY worth it and they can be brought to justice. This is just my opinion. No material item has more worth than a life. Again, just my opinion.

[Sky Valley]

Had that been a Black security guard shooting a pretty white teenager

He would of been hung....

if these 2 people had been the same color, we probably wouldnt have even been informed about it all over the news.



but anyway.
This story is still around, so might as well throw in my two cents. Now this kid was probably up to something to get George zimmerman scared,
(sorry but the cute little pics of him and the skittles story make this whole thing kinda forced)

But still, Zimmerman made the mistake chasing him down. This could have all been avoided if he let the cops handle whatever he may have thought was going on. Even if Florida's law protects him shooting this kid and even if he had the right to, its a shame it had to end this way. Excessive paranoia and a superhero complex can lead to bad things and this is a prime example.

[Dan Cowan]

The stand your ground law to me sounds like one of those laws that sounds good on paper but people will end up misusing it to no end.

[back,back,back,low punch]

Going to try to get my Conceal & Carry and my permit soon with my aunt (actually my co worker).


I'll kill you, depends on what you do though I guess. You come into my house, instant death for you. My number 1 fear on this planet is a home invasion, having experienced one I still regret letting them run away. If you attack me, I guess it depends on what I have. Knife, I wont go for your throat but I'll jab ya one. Gun I'll point that shit at you and tell you your options, rest is up to you. But if someone else is on the line, then no exception, someone's getting a tag on their toe.




As for the Zimmerman stuff, still can't believe the bullshit went down. The roles have reversed due to everyone being overly sensitive. You hear about the 2 black kids that dosed a white kid in gasoline and set him on fire? No, you didn't. Its just the media trying to stir up controversy as usual.

[Critical-Limit]

If this doesn't make you call him a liar I dunno what will.