New Tier List post patch

He doesnt struggle against rushdown thanks to his 1,1 spiral kick 1,1 spiral kick pressure trap(It is two punches ended with a spiral kick, I dont knowXD). His EX spiral kick also makes rushdown difficult. He deserves to be A+ tier for sure.

1 1 Roundhous kick cancel trap is easily punishable, even online. the cancel time is long. using it with ex roundhouse kick is better since the kick cancels much faster. he cant go toe-to-toe with alot of characters in the game. he relies on his mixups to win. I still don't see how he's A+ tier. HOW IS HE BETTER THAN JC?!?!
 
I really want to make rain my secondary over sub zero but i the negative edge kills him.. After like 15 attempts of the same combo i cant be consistent because of negative edge. Im trying my best to deal with it but its sooo annoying. I drop %35+ damage because of it :(
 
It got updated again, and this one is a little iffy. there's a lot of things I don't agree with, but ill just name three:

1) Sonya better than Cage?
2)Kitana isn't a bad match for sub?
3) Mileena only bad match is kenshi?

of course there's more I can say, but ill leave that up for you guys. Here you go:

S Tier Characters (0 -2 bad match ups)
Kabal: no bad match ups
Mileena: Kenshi

Raiden: Reptile, Sonya

Cyrax: Kabal, Mileena

Kitana: Kenshi, Mileena


A Tier Characters (3- 4 bad match ups)
Kung Lao: Johnny Cage, Kitana, Sonya

Rain: Kabal, Kitana, Sub Zero

Reptile: Liu Kang, Mileena, Sektor

Smoke: Jax, Kung Lao, Raiden

Sonya: Freddy, Kabal, Sub Zero

Jax: Johnny Cage, Mileena, Raiden, Sonya

Freddy: Kung Lao, Mileena, Smoke, Raiden

Sektor: Kabal, Mileena, Raiden, Sub Zero

Sub Zero: Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kung Lao


B Tier Characters (5- 6 bad match ups)
Kang: Freddy, Jax, Mileena, Noob, Raiden

Kano: Freddy, Kabal, Mileena, Sonya, Sub Zero

Kenshi: Jax, Kabal, Kung Lao, Raiden, Reptile

Cage: Kabal, Kitana, Mileena, Reptile, Sonya,
Sub Zero

Cyber Sub Zero: Jax, Kabal, Kitana, Liu Kang,
Mileena, Sub Zero

Quan Chi: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal,
Mileena, Raiden, Smoke

Scorpion: Cyrax, Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao,
Raiden, Reptile

Shang Tsung: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal,
Kitana, Noob, Raiden


C Tier Characters (7- 9 bad match ups)
Baraka: Cage, Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kitana, Liu
Kang, Raiden

Ermac: Freddy, Jax, Kabal, Nightwolf, Noob,
Raiden, Reptile

Noob: Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kung Lao, Raiden,
Reptile, Smoke

Nightwolf: Cyrax, Freddy, Jax, Kabal, Kitana, Liu
Kang, Mileena, Raiden, Reptile

Sheeva: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal, Kano,
Kitana, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Raiden



D Tier Characters (10- 12 bad match ups)
Stryker: Cage, Cyrax, Ermac, Freddy, Kabal,
Kenshi, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Noob, Raiden,
Reptile, Smoke



F Tier Characters (13 + bad match ups)
Jade: Cage, Ermac, Freddy, Kabal, Jax, Kitana,
Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Mileena, Reptile, Raiden,
Smoke, Sonya

Sindel: Cage, Cyber Sub Zero, Cyrax, Ermac,
Jade, Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao, Liu Kang,
Nightwolf, Noob, Raiden, Rain, Reptile, Sektor,
Smoke

Skarlet: Cage, Cyber Sub Zero, Cyrax, Ermac,
Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Mileena,
Nightwolf, Noob, Raiden, Rain, Reptile,
Scorpion, Sektor, Smoke
 
^^ I don't this sektor has a bad match up with sub I think its even or in sektors favor. sub zero can't slide under sektors straight missiles.

and night wolf slaughters freddy and liu kang imho. liu kangs instant air might cause problems but if night wolf gets the life lead liu is going to have to come in and on top of that night wolf knows liu has no wake up options =P. NW can make freddy not do his glove regularly so he can jump over his ground fingers.
 
It got updated again, and this one is a little iffy. there's a lot of things I don't agree with, but ill just name three:

1) Sonya better than Cage?
2)Kitana isn't a bad match for sub?
3) Mileena only bad match is kenshi?

of course there's more I can say, but ill leave that up for you guys. Here you go:

S Tier Characters (0 -2 bad match ups)
Kabal: no bad match ups
Mileena: Kenshi

Raiden: Reptile, Sonya

Cyrax: Kabal, Mileena

Kitana: Kenshi, Mileena


A Tier Characters (3- 4 bad match ups)
Kung Lao: Johnny Cage, Kitana, Sonya

Rain: Kabal, Kitana, Sub Zero

Reptile: Liu Kang, Mileena, Sektor

Smoke: Jax, Kung Lao, Raiden

Sonya: Freddy, Kabal, Sub Zero

Jax: Johnny Cage, Mileena, Raiden, Sonya

Freddy: Kung Lao, Mileena, Smoke, Raiden

Sektor: Kabal, Mileena, Raiden, Sub Zero

Sub Zero: Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kung Lao


B Tier Characters (5- 6 bad match ups)
Kang: Freddy, Jax, Mileena, Noob, Raiden

Kano: Freddy, Kabal, Mileena, Sonya, Sub Zero

Kenshi: Jax, Kabal, Kung Lao, Raiden, Reptile

Cage: Kabal, Kitana, Mileena, Reptile, Sonya,
Sub Zero

Cyber Sub Zero: Jax, Kabal, Kitana, Liu Kang,
Mileena, Sub Zero

Quan Chi: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal,
Mileena, Raiden, Smoke

Scorpion: Cyrax, Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao,
Raiden, Reptile

Shang Tsung: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal,
Kitana, Noob, Raiden


C Tier Characters (7- 9 bad match ups)
Baraka: Cage, Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kitana, Liu
Kang, Raiden

Ermac: Freddy, Jax, Kabal, Nightwolf, Noob,
Raiden, Reptile

Noob: Cyrax, Freddy, Kabal, Kung Lao, Raiden,
Reptile, Smoke

Nightwolf: Cyrax, Freddy, Jax, Kabal, Kitana, Liu
Kang, Mileena, Raiden, Reptile

Sheeva: Cyber Sub Zero, Freddy, Kabal, Kano,
Kitana, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Raiden



D Tier Characters (10- 12 bad match ups)
Stryker: Cage, Cyrax, Ermac, Freddy, Kabal,
Kenshi, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Noob, Raiden,
Reptile, Smoke



F Tier Characters (13 + bad match ups)
Jade: Cage, Ermac, Freddy, Kabal, Jax, Kitana,
Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Mileena, Reptile, Raiden,
Smoke, Sonya

Sindel: Cage, Cyber Sub Zero, Cyrax, Ermac,
Jade, Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao, Liu Kang,
Nightwolf, Noob, Raiden, Rain, Reptile, Sektor,
Smoke

Skarlet: Cage, Cyber Sub Zero, Cyrax, Ermac,
Kabal, Kitana, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Mileena,
Nightwolf, Noob, Raiden, Rain, Reptile,
Scorpion, Sektor, Smoke

lol look at both my mains at the dead bottom.

screw this game.

going back to StarCraft2
 
The whole thread is basically m2Dave and REO calling players from Europe out and saying they are all trash. m2Dave also doesn't really know what he is talking about, and seems like he is just trolling now.

But I still haven't gotten an answer from him on how Baraka is not a bad matchup for Smoke.

Edit: Also neither PL, TB, REO, or m2dave have any idea how to use Skarlett, so her place on the tier list will most likely change as she is so under explored.
 
I've doing dagger cancel pressure alot lately. It's alright... I can still get poked out of it though. I should try dagger cancel and back dash to avoid a poke. then do counter pressure all over again off their whiff.
 
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