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    Hold up you said you would need the same amount of lighting...it'd take alot of work but cant Bleed draw like really, realistically? And if not you could find someone..What if you drew a whole bunch of extremely realistic drawings of MK1 characters, all with the same lighting and detail and pose..But I think modeling would be easier and faster I don't know tell me what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ]{0MBAT View Post
    Hah! I got that statue too! Nice to see another truly obsessive fan around here.
    Here's an example of my MK obsession - for a time I was obsessed with finding out the name of the model who portrayed The GREAT Kung Lao in Kung Lao's MK2 ending pic (i.e. the bald headed guy in the sky - NOT Tony Marquez). It just really bugs me that this guy has never been identified or credited.



    First I did a ton of research (turned up nothing) then I asked several of the MK team and actors, some didn't reply, the rest didn't know, until I finally made one small piece of progress when Tony Goskie told me the image of the bald guy was scanned from an old reference book (and photoshopped into the sky background obviously). He said that was all he knew.

    Sadly that's as far as I could ever get. Somewhere out there in the world is a reference book featuring the original pic of the bald guy who (likely unknowingly) portrayed The Great Kung Lao in MK2. But I don't know the title, subject, publisher or anything else about the book. And even if by some miracle I did find the book (as sad as it may sound I would still love to find it), the model is probably not even credited in the book itself. I know 99% of MK fans won't care but to me it's really sad that we will likely never know his name unless one day someone in the world plays MK2 and recognizes him as a friend or relative. And then puts that information out there. Which isn't gonna happen of course.

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    And this right here is why the REAL Mortal Kombat fans who loved the classics all belong to this web site. It's funny but because we're only just looking at MK2 now, we haven't really reached the point where those kinds of questions come up. Really who is that guy? It sure sounds like his image was plagiarized without his knowledge. If you ever do find out the answer please come back and let us know.



    Quote Originally Posted by theassassin View Post
    Here's an example of my MK obsession - for a time I was obsessed with finding out the name of the model who portrayed The GREAT Kung Lao in Kung Lao's MK2 ending pic (i.e. the bald headed guy in the sky - NOT Tony Marquez). It just really bugs me that this guy has never been identified or credited.



    First I did a ton of research (turned up nothing) then I asked several of the MK team and actors, some didn't reply, the rest didn't know, until I finally made one small piece of progress when Tony Goskie told me the image of the bald guy was scanned from an old reference book (and photoshopped into the sky background obviously). He said that was all he knew.

    Sadly that's as far as I could ever get. Somewhere out there in the world is a reference book featuring the original pic of the bald guy who (likely unknowingly) portrayed The Great Kung Lao in MK2. But I don't know the title, subject, publisher or anything else about the book. And even if by some miracle I did find the book (as sad as it may sound I would still love to find it), the model is probably not even credited in the book itself. I know 99% of MK fans won't care but to me it's really sad that we will likely never know his name unless one day someone in the world plays MK2 and recognizes him as a friend or relative. And then puts that information out there. Which isn't gonna happen of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baraka/Ermac/KungLao View Post
    Hold up you said you would need the same amount of lighting...it'd take alot of work but cant Bleed draw like really, realistically? And if not you could find someone..What if you drew a whole bunch of extremely realistic drawings of MK1 characters, all with the same lighting and detail and pose..But I think modeling would be easier and faster I don't know tell me what you think.
    Yeah hand drawing frame by frame animation would look very cartoony no matter how skilled the artist is/was. Not to mention way more time consuming. 3D characters gives us so much more freedom to pose them exactly as we wish.

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    Not to mention that 3D models offer much more consistency and customization.

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    People can draw photorealistic pictures, but imagine this... it takes around 10+ hours to draw photo realistic picture. One. Games run at 60 frames per second. So the artist would have to draw all 60 frames for that one second of animation.

    Even if framerate was lowered to something, what 2D animations use (anime for example, which is between 12-24fps), the amount of time needed to draw that... oh boy. 1 minute of animation would be over 600 hours of work or 25 days (if done in 60 fps). The dude will need years to draw basic move animations. I am not even gonna mention the mistakes and... oh boy. My head hurts from that.
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    Yeah, I thought as much..So topic change: I noticed that in MK1 Johnny's Shadow Kick makes much more sense because its black, but in other games its changed to green (and eclipse kick red) so are you guys gonna make it the more iconic green or the more sense-making black?

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    The goal is to stay very close to the original, even if things don't make sense, but we have enough freedom to be able to add some new details where they would be naturally, and others that maybe you just couldn't see because of the lower resolution.

    The color of the Shadow Kick is one of those things that is not changed.

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    Okay good, but I know this has been discussed in the thread previously but, you said new details so are you gonna make Sub-Zero's pupils blue and Reptile's eyeballs more lizard like or will they be exact palette swaps?

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    It would be possible to create new looks, but since we are trying to stay close to the original, only the colors are different using palette swaps.

    If we see that people want something different, it brings a new argument to the table for us to consider.

    The most important thing to keep is the feel, and overall look of Mortal Kombat. Since everything is made from scratch, we have to try to stay faithful, but embrace the idea that it's not going to be a perfect copy, that would be foolish. We can make changes without going overboard.

    If we decide something is only going to improve the game in an acceptable way, then maybe the change is okay, but we can't go changing things just because, we need good reason, which takes in part, a look at general census.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleed View Post
    It would be possible to create new looks, but since we are trying to stay close to the original, only the colors are different using palette swaps.

    If we see that people want something different, it brings a new argument to the table for us to consider.

    The most important thing to keep is the feel, and overall look of Mortal Kombat. Since everything is made from scratch, we have to try to stay faithful, but embrace the idea that it's not going to be a perfect copy, that would be foolish. We can make changes without going overboard.

    If we decide something is only going to improve the game in an acceptable way, then maybe the change is okay, but we can't go changing things just because, we need good reason, which takes in part, a look at general census.
    Okay that's fair it was just an in-universe thing kinda like Scorpion's eyes he was resurrected as a specter therefore he has no pupils, Reptile is a Zaterran therefore MK4 and up he has had a lizard like appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baraka/Ermac/KungLao View Post
    Okay that's fair it was just an in-universe thing kinda like Scorpion's eyes he was resurrected as a specter therefore he has no pupils, Reptile is a Zaterran therefore MK4 and up he has had a lizard like appearance.
    I think this is actually a thing that you guys could consider. There were a lot of limitations when MK1 was made, and characters like Reptile didn't even have a bio. I'd definitely think it would make more sense to give Reptile and Scorpion different eyes. Subtle but cool detail.

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